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Post by jajk on Jan 4, 2013 21:13:24 GMT -5
Just a terrible loss on our court to a team without its best player and two of its top three players . This one went beyond the disgraceful foul shooting to a poor effort by players and staff in so many areas . We were beaten by a frosh point and frosh spot three point shooter .Tough to watch but the players have to think to the next game .
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Post by loyal on Jan 4, 2013 21:52:25 GMT -5
Our power forwards, Jackson and Desport, played 17 minutes. 5 fouls, zero points, zero rebounds.
That is hard to fathom against a team with one healthy, functional front line player.
Throw in Darius one rebound in 19 minutes for good measure.....
Ouch.
FT's lost the game, but our "inside" players were very poor.......tonight and most of the season.
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Post by runbabyrun on Jan 4, 2013 21:59:32 GMT -5
"9-20 for a division 1 school doesn't deserve to win."
Yup
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Post by eport on Jan 4, 2013 22:02:13 GMT -5
Horrible loss....this is the most up and down St. Peter's team I've ever seen concerning intensity, rebounding and foul shooting.
Whatever happened to Ferguson?
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Post by cindycrawford on Jan 4, 2013 22:20:54 GMT -5
No need to analyze this one far beyond the free throws.
Now shooting below 60% for the season...7th worst in the nation.
Instead of being 9 and 4 we are 6 and 7,three losses FDU, Loyola CHI and tonight directly attributable to horrendous free throw shooting.
It scares me that the kids pulled out of the stands to shoot for tee shirts and hats appear to do better than our scholarship athletes.
One exception...SPU did shoot better than the kid they blindfolded.
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Post by oldtimer1 on Jan 4, 2013 22:23:49 GMT -5
Just back from the game. Not very impressed with Manhattam...less impressed with us. Every one of the above posts said it all. If you can't beat an undermaned team, that has been losing by double digits, on your home court, then you are in big ,big trouble. We are!
Certainly, if we made our foul shots we would have won BUT the game shouldn't have been that close in the first place! Aside from problem #1 (foul shooting) we have no inside game. As loyal points out, if you can't score inside it puts too much pressure on the guards. Blaise and Yvon driving and Desi hitting shots in spurts become our offense. Need to get Darius back to normal.
PS Haven't asked about injury but peacockblue is right. Darius needs to play more than half a game AND needs many more touches. Have to play more inside out and not as much perimeter offense.
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Post by cindycrawford on Jan 4, 2013 22:32:32 GMT -5
Conley has to be hurting. He is now tied for third at 4.3 rebounds per game with Washington and trails both Raymond and FFrench... I can't believe he simply forgot how to rebound...tonight not a single defensive board. It does not appear that he can't elevate much at all. Is he also slowed defensively causing all the foul trouble which keeps him on the bench ?
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Post by eport on Jan 5, 2013 4:40:58 GMT -5
Conley has to be playing injured....he should be a guaranteed double, double on most nights. He only played 19 minutes tonight, but I saw that he had 5 fouls according to stats....so I assume he fouled out. Didn't get to see the game, so it's pure conjecture. Hopefully, he'll turn it around by MAAC Tournament time.
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Post by eport on Jan 5, 2013 5:44:14 GMT -5
I have a hard time dealing with our abysmal foul shooting. Not bragging, but I was close to a 90% foul shooter in high school. Common, NO ONE IS GUARDING YOU!! Put the freaking ball in the basket! I'm about to fly from Atlanta to J.C. to teach these DI players how to shoot foul shots. I'll bet I can still shoot about 80% and I'm an old man. I'll also bet I can shoot better than this team blind folded and I'll put money on it. Foul shooting should almost be automatic. I'm frustrated as all hell because it's so basic.
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Post by Peacock on Jan 5, 2013 13:07:38 GMT -5
At the risk of bringing out the critics, I was wondering why no one brought out an obvious oversight in the game plan. It has been mentioned before by others about the coach's reluctance to use a pressure defense. Well MC was one of the most turnover prone teams in the conference and that could be seen even in this game. They were without their point and could have more readily been disrupted than we seemed to be when pressed. We can all blame poor foul shooting, but that seems to be more a constant than an exception, and some of the game plan needs to criticized also.
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Post by figgyprez on Jan 5, 2013 13:39:02 GMT -5
I tried to cool off overnight, don't know that I succeeded. No doubt 9-20 is the game. Here are 2 concerns beyond that for me. First the old Blaise showed up. The one I was critical of prior to this season. The one who drives the lane with no certainty about what to do when he gets there. How many times did he wind up with his back to the basket in the lane with nowhere to go after aborted spin moves? Where's the guy with the pull up from 13 feet or the one that takes it to the rim that we saw so often this year and began changing my view of what he could do. Tonight he failed the eye test I did not look at his stats esp assts but I don't care what the line said he did a lousy job of directing the offense and 53 pts speaks to it. Also what an awful final play off the inbounds. Desi's the only guy that can beat Jaspers at that point You don't think he was going to get max attention? We run a straight pass and heave?? I think highly of JD but that was not it. I can think of at least one better set for Desi and several that use him as a decoy and wind up with drives for Yvon or Burke from there and we give them the easiest inbound to defend with a very long shot with no chance of fouling to at least get to
OT. I know that foul shots would probably miss but that play was thoughtless.
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Post by oldtimer1 on Jan 5, 2013 13:53:32 GMT -5
Can't argue with you on this one Peacock, except to say no one is perfect. JD is considered by most fans and observers in the league and outside as the best coach in the MAAC. See the link you posted. Secondly, as fans, when a team starts losing we all become second guessers. That said, I do tend to agree with your observation.
Speaking of Coaches what a jerk the Manhattan coach is. Much like Bobby G and Pastos he yells instructions that his players cannot possibly hear thinking he is coaching. Did that last night...all for effect. As opposed JD just urges his team to play hard and saves the unheard instructions for the timeout. As someone who played the game, as many of us have, players at the other end of the court rarely even hear those nonsensical shouts. Whose kidding who?
Now to my take on coaching. None of us are genisus' Coach K, Bobby Knight etc. all had their flaws, especially bench coaching wise. I sort of subscribe to the John Wooden philosopy. Wooden is quoted as saying that if he prepares his team correctly, he doesn't even have to be at the game. An exaggeration but a lot of truth in that statement.
Remember what a genius Coach M was last year? Not so this year. I'll repeat again... a coach is only as good as his players. Good/great players make genisus' out of coaches.
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Post by loyal on Jan 5, 2013 14:23:00 GMT -5
Conley, Desport, Jackson.....36 minutes, one rebound, six points.
Blaise did regress last night. Teams are learning to defend him better. FT shooting was awful, yes. Lack of coaching adjustments, yes.
Net-net, though, SPU big men have displayed minimal skills so far this season and last night.......... did not play hard.
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Post by oldtimer1 on Jan 5, 2013 14:43:05 GMT -5
figgy..Blaise did not play a good game offensively but do you expect a player to bring his A game every night? Did Conley, Tucker (got beat on defense several times), Jackson (haven't seen his A game), and even Desi play that well? . Only Yvon and Burke played decently. However, Blaise is easily our second best defender, got a number of key rebounds and lost the ball under full court pressure only once that I can recall. PS, 4 steals last night for Blaise, no player on our team came close to that. Again, he didn't revert to anything. I expected him to be an 8-10 pt. scorer, outstanding defender, good assist man on a team where its hard to get assists and be an outstanding rebounder for a point guard. Not worried about him.
As far as running the offense. When you have no inside game what offense is there to run. Our perimeter players are always overplayed. Our only offense is Yuvon, Blaise and Desi driving to the basket. None of them did it very well last night,
Figgy, I know that you were at the game last night and I know you know basketball but let's be fair. I don't like to criticize players but if Desi wasn't that good of a 3 point shooter I'd label a poor game for him. Drove as poorly to the basket as Blaise, got stuffed a few times and hit the bottom of the rim on one ill advised drive. Defensively, he rebounds well but still gets lost on occassion.Leaves his man to give help inside too much. Take the second play of the game. Desi opened with a 3 pointer but the on defense tried to help inside (my one criticism of Nick) left his man wide open outside, ran at him from 20 feet away, fouled and created a 4 pt. play. Did that several times last night with a similar result. JD yelled at him a bit.
Let's take Tucker. Pretty good offensive moves but lost his man at least five time on backdoor plays. When he went outside to trap the ball handler (it's a standard defensive play) he NEVER got back to his man. Darius, for all the criticism, excutes that play great. Tucker just never got back into position and was beat by his man on several occassions.
So there a many fingers to point out last night. For me I'm not worried about Blaise one bit. However, as you point out, I also like Desi at point when Blaise gets a blow. Several posted against it earlier in the year. I disagree. My take is that Desi tends to stand around a bit. Playing point makes him more active.
Bottom line is that when you have NO inside game, your only offense is to drive and try to create. Sometimes as with Blaise and Desi last night you are going to look bad trying to create. Only Yvon is simply great at that and he too didn't look as good as usual last night. There is no doubt that this team plays better in the open court than in half court.
Finally I agree with your take on the last play of the game. Desi is not quick enogh to create his own shot. With almost 5 seconds left there was plenty of time for what you suggest. Remember last year that we had an ally-opp backdoor play for Burke on an inbouds play. Often good for a dunk. That's what I was hoping for.
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Post by figgyprez on Jan 5, 2013 15:03:57 GMT -5
OT I knew we'd disagree about Blaise, all I'm saying is that he seemed to ignore what made him much more effective this year esp the pull up. The guy with the ball the most needs to be decisive with it. He got a lot better at it this year, Last night he was indecisive which made for so many panicked in the lane, back to the defense not sure where to go with it trips. Awhile ago I said that there was just something I thought he lacked as a pg until this point and I think that was it--decisiveness with the ball. He got much better this year. You're right no one has their A game all the time (as a golf coach you gotta know that) I just hope what I saw was an aberration not a reversion i didn't mean to put it all on Blaise, you're assessment of performance of others is correct. The reason why I criticize Blaise is because he will have the ball the most and is central to whatever success the offense can have. If he is not going to lead the offense wisely we have no chance to score consistently. He has a hard job because we don't have explosive weapons anywhere which is why his decision making on each trip is critical to success
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