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Post by newfan on Feb 5, 2016 23:25:14 GMT -5
Q played as well as he could and looked good at it. He had no help underneath. They outsized us, shot over us. Our guys still play too far over to get back to guard the 3, Or some do not get the help defense and leave a man uncovered. Portly finally shot but couldn't land many. Cam off. Boone can not handle the ball too long. Chazz seemed a little off. Elias not helping us right now, don't know what happened. Wyche going down for most of first half definitely shows our offense comes somewhat apart. Was glad to see him back had slight limp not 100 percent , IMO still hurting hence no drives to rim, first step probably painful. Above all we are still in a decent position, need to grab a few of these last games. Looking to the future we have a solid PG for next year, we have SG transfer who may be good as advertised, Portly will grow as well as Cam. Boone should improve. We have Sam and Du but tonight showed we need post presence, Q needs help, Siena went big and we were outmatched. Maybe a big JUCO. Also another solid balll handler has to be developed. But for now let's just try to grab these next few
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Post by loyal on Feb 5, 2016 23:31:18 GMT -5
Unfortunately, none of the PF's you mentioned have yet demonstrated they are average MAAC PF's.
They can do so over the course of the final 8-10 games.....or....PF becomes our primary JUCO recruiting target.
Just to be fair, Wyche is shooting much better this year from in and outside the arc, though I know what you mean about not being a pure outside threat. Chazz shooting (or finishing), from anywhere on the court, is not his strength. Maybe a "shot doctor", like Hobbie Sr. was, can help Chazz over the summer. It sure seems to have helped Trevis!
See, that was easy! :-)
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Post by oldtimer1 on Feb 5, 2016 23:39:32 GMT -5
Think our current funk is a combination of issues ( weaknesses ) as peacockpride mentioned, in addition to some fatigue. Not having a deep bench doesn't help either. Key guys are playing a lot of minutes. That's OK when the schedule is light but not this past and current stretch. We have the open looks just have to shoot a decent percentage. Q and Trevi have been tremendous. They just need some help. We always play hard, we just need to get our confidence back.
Desport played 26 min., Cam 29 if my stats are correct. Both Chazz and Trevi got a bit of unplaned rest. Hope that hepls. Have a good feeling about the Quinny game. Need to beat that type of team
. For loyal...I agree about Du. He can do some amazing things but he's a lot like Boone was ( Boone's improving) in terms of being often out of control. Missing this year hurt. Hope he plays some good Summer ball..
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Post by cindycrawford on Feb 5, 2016 23:57:16 GMT -5
Heard that Hawkins had an acute allergic attack.you don't win many when shooting 4-23 from three. Offense produced the open looks but simply they did not drop.
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Post by oldtimer1 on Feb 6, 2016 0:15:13 GMT -5
Cindy...drive safely. See you tomorrow night. Proud of the way our posters have remained both rational and positive. Your last sentence tells it all. Open looks but 4/23 from the field.
The announcers mentioned Marvin Dominique briefly and I couldn't help but think the way both Q and Trevi have improved. Just imagine last years team with this years Trevi and Q. Would have been an awesome team.
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Post by pcockfan on Feb 6, 2016 0:32:19 GMT -5
We have 8 games left or maybe as many as 12 and all you guys are talking about next year?? WOW! Next year doesnt mean anything if you cant learn to win this year. The talk about transfers and guys sitting out this year and current players getting stronger and better is just the most craziest thing TO ME, But then again there would not be nothing left to talk about I guess. I thought the pregame locker room piece was right on point. I hope the players go back and look at the game on ESPNU REPLAY and listen to what was said. These guys are college coaches and know way more than we think we do. Tre scouting report was accurate and the coach hit it on the nail, make him go left. Its no secret, every coach in the league to a man would say the same thing. Yes I agree that the boys are tired, that's when mental toughness comes into play, hell every team in the country is tired right now. I would like to see one team that isn't. To use that as an excuse is just a weak as how the boys are playing right now. The good teams understands how to reach down and get their second wind. SP isnt the only team that play with 8 guys, so sorry posters....go back to my post during the Seton Hall game when I said that game showed you a lot about our team. Its all about FINISHING and playing with some MENTAL TOUGHNESS. I think we confuse playing hard and playing tough, there is a difference. Our boys play hard but we DO NOT PLAY TOUGH.
Its good to see Q go straight up with the ball instead of pump faking, not surprised that his scoring has gone up. Glad to see Portley take 8 3's tonight, despite being off, the kid is a shooter (which you hear all the teams yelling, "shooter, shooter" as he is running the floor), glad to see Boone slowing down a bit and looking a little more poise. Glad to see more patients with the press against Siena, whether TW was in or not. Last 5 games we have basically had our tails handed to us and I think the boys are hearing how fatigued they are and are following into that trap of letting outsiders cause them to fail. Hopefully they will put in their earplugs and look themselves in the mirror and ask themselves are they being outworked by the guy opposite of them.
We have 8 conference games left, lets see who gives up or who steps up.
#GoPeacocks!!!
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Post by newfan on Feb 6, 2016 0:37:12 GMT -5
Glad to see all posters posting their opinions myself included with constructive criticism and also posting the positives. I looked at the Siena board one poster said Wyche being out helped, another stated we hit a few shots game could have been different outcome. We still are not going to be taken lightly by any team, announcer stated a few times we wouldn't go away. This team whether it be now or the future will make some noise. We still are better than the 9th we were picked at. Hopefully we can turn the corner starting Monday. Let's keep our board positive, we can agree to disagree but in the end we all want the same. Good night and any who made the trip safe ride home
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Post by peacockpride on Feb 6, 2016 8:56:55 GMT -5
Loyal, you are right that none of the PFs on the roster have shown to be average. My overall point was more along the lines that with an All-MAAC player in Welton and under average (just not terrible) play from that combination we probably have an average MAAC front court. My Point was more that most MAAC teams don't have more than one impact post player so we're not that far off rather than a belief that one of the current PFs will be an above average player by next season.
Everyone is hoping, as am I, for a JUCO to come in and have an immediate impact, but who can name one JUCO this staff has recruited in 10 years that has fit that description? Belin had the most impact of any JUCO under Dunne and it took him a year and a half to figure it out. IMO I attribute this in some way to the emphasis on defensive in our system and the lack of defense played on the JUCO level. Not a good mesh with our program when expecting an immediate impact. But hoping like everyone else we can change that trend this recruiting cycle. Am I correct that if everyone returns we only have one opening for next year?
Pcockfan you make a lot of points that I agree with. Funny to me that some here criticize posters for being "wanna be coaches" but then mock the opposing coaches scouting report as if they know more than a d1 coach. I also agree on your point on fatigue. Our schedule hasn't been different from any other MAAC school and most schools play an 8-9 man rotation by this point in the year. No reason to be any more tired than anyone else, especially with an unexpected 8 day layoff last week. Fatigue factor should come in to play with the Manhattan makeup but not now. I would disagree somewhat though with your point on mental toughness. To win close games, players need to execute. We had open looks tonight and in the past and just don't convert. I think the majority of the issue is talent and not toughness. Saw a stat on Twitter last week that in games decided by 4pts or less MAAC teams rank 30 out of 32 in the country, so we aren't the only team in the league that struggles to finish. We are a mediocre team in a below average conference, it's as simple as that.
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Post by junctionkid on Feb 6, 2016 9:31:50 GMT -5
Have to give Saints credit for pulling it off . It is easy to understand how obviously relieved and thrilled their players , staff and crowd were to get to .500 for the season and .333 for the last three years against our Peacocks . Bisping and Clareth have really come up big , and as much as I don't like to admit it , Patsos has done great job holding this team more than together since Wright's departure . He's basically doing it with seven guys . As an aside, believe Wormley has more upside potential over his career than Swaggerly .
On our side , it was great to watch Quadir play another outstanding game . I sure don't like hearing him described as a foward since he is making himself into the true center that we rarely get to see at the MAAC level . Is there any aspect of the game this young man does not improve at almost game by game ? First team all MAAC . Probably not , with our record dipping . But my guess is that if you put it this way , Quadir would come out on top . Ask the eleven MAAC coaches if they were going to war agaist another conference in a seven game tourney , who they would want playing in the middle for them ? While the young man from Rider is making a big jump , I think Quadir gets a minimum of eight of the eleven votes for the center position . How many freakin' assists would he have had last night if our guys were hitting the threes ? Ask , the eleven coaches , if their future career depended on it , who would they draft as their MAAC center for next season .
The staff will be between a rock and a hard place , particularly if Trevis's injury limits his playing at top level , as they try to secure the four or five spot , playing a lot of the now six teams that we will compete with for those two spots . Do you try to get Chazz , who really appeared to be at less than top health last night , some real rest for next weekend . Tough to do with the much improved Quinny to deal with on Monday . But made a little easier by the much improving play of Elisha and Cam . Cam had tough shooting night but you can see real gains from him on the offensive and defensive ends in terms of what he should be doing . Elisha ain't gonna be a shooting threat this season - but still hope for that the next two seasons , but it has been fun and heartening to watch his improved play on both ends . Staff does have to help him out with drawing foul going to the hoop . This is part art but it is part skill that can be taught .
Finally despite the loss , particularly bitter given my dislike for so many Siena posters , I do think that we are seeing different and improving offensive schemes this season . Some may say finally , but let's be happy its happening . Shooting earlier in the clock if open , more skip passes , less passes into a black hole in down low but rather getting the ball back out quickly . Yes , there only so many plays available , but some coaches are better than other on their emphasis , on their maximizing players' strengths and minimizing their weaknesses . Holding out hope here . Players can get better . So can coaches .
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Post by oldtimer1 on Feb 6, 2016 10:42:18 GMT -5
peacockpride...taking another swipe at me again in your veiled childish sort of way? Tells me all I need to know about you. After our back and forth on the Schools financial status where I provided some information as to the progress being offered and made in the Athletic Department I tried to bury the hatchet by being nice to you in my next post. But you cannot let things go as judged by your post above.
You felt it necessary, as you have in the past, to take a cowards stance. You referenced me, without name, but that only an idiot could not recognize. My apologies to the rest of the board most of whom I know and are good guys that I have to reply to this loser.
Peacockpride, it's not funny to me that you posted "funny to me that some here criticize posters for "wanna be coaches" but then mock the opossing opposing coaches scouting report as if they know more than a d1 coach" FYI I did not "mock" the Siena coaches scouting report and made no comment but listened intently...enjoyed the insight. The one comment that I made was that their assistant coach told his player that when they went man to man that he should force Trevis to his left. My comment was really a compliment to Trevis. Those of us who actually attend games and sit together have actually been amazed at how good Trevi goes left. Maybe better than he goes the other way. That's all my comment was meant to say.
I posted the above not that I owe you any explanation but that I've had my fill of you. If you had not taken your cheap shot above our previous back and forth would have been over. Your posts go on and on about things you know little about. I posted about fatigue and if you re read the post I said that I though twice about posting that. Truth is that comment really came from our Head Coach directly to me and I was reluctant to divulge it as it bordered on inside information. And there are reasons for that not even related to our schedule. It was the Coach's opinion. but YOU know better. Check out junctionkids post, Talked about Chazz looking tired for good reason. Playing the defense he has is extremely tiring but, then again, you wouldn't know that! You're too smart. My fault, as I should never have posted that insight. But you go on and on about why we shouldn't feel fatigue. No knock here on peacock fan as IMO he posts well...but you, you have an opinion on everything and think you know, as I said "something about everything". Reading your posts you should apply to be part of the coaching staff, you seem to think you know so much. To me you are just a wanna be who has no background and who has an opinion on every little thing.
So since this long comeback does not seem like sour grapes it will be my last post on this board. Remember, peacockpride I stated that I never attack unless attacked first. Have not even mention Peacock after I rebutted his "Holy Trinity" comment. But you just don't give up taking shots...a sure sign of immaturity. Yes, a message board is a place to post opinions. That's the fun of it. But it's not the place to take shots at other posters UNLESS attacked first.
I'm sure that you will respond, that's you nature. Have at it. In my book you are an original wanna be and therefore a loser.
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Post by peacockpride on Feb 6, 2016 11:08:04 GMT -5
Oldtimer here was your post: "An Assistant Coach named Watson in discussing Trevi told his player to force Trevi to go left. Prtetty stupid as Trevi may go better to his left than his right although he's equally good both ways. Shows you how much Coach's know!" I'll leave it to the other posters to have their opinions on whether using "pretty stupid" and "shows how much coach's know" were meant as a compliment to Trevis or your typical approach of touting yourself as being the smartest person in the room.
Amusing to me that in a prior post you said "peacockpride...thanks. I do enjoy your posts as it's obvious that you do know what you are talking about. We may disagree on minor things but that's the fun of this Board." but when you are challenged on an opinion I become a "wanna be," "loser," and someone with "no background." Talk about taking personal shots! To be honest, I didn't really reference you other than your comment about the pre game intro, which I found amusing. The majority of my post was in response to loyal and pcockfanbut but you were the one who took it so personally that you felt the need to write a six paragraph response. Funny that pcockfan posted on the same topics but you deem him to "post well" so you don't take offense to him. Congrats on your background of playing high school basketball 50 years ago, clearly that makes you more knowledgable than me as you continue to point out. As with your history on the MAAC board, you seem to take your ball and go home whenever your all-knowing opinion is challenged or whenever posters don't give you a pass on statements that they find to be outlandish. If this is indeed your last post as you say, best wishes and congrats on the HoF! Maybe instead of applying for the basketball coaching staff, I can apply for your assistant coach if there will be an opening as you said. Think we would make a great team!
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Post by nickd on Feb 6, 2016 15:42:05 GMT -5
I have not been a poster here for a very longtime primarily because I felt Oldtimer had hijacked the board.. According to what Peacockpride posted things have not changed..
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Post by Peacock on Feb 6, 2016 16:26:27 GMT -5
The blindness of the posters is unbelievable. One Siena never plays good perimeter defense so why praise our offense for the open looks. No knock on Wyche, but how many realize after he went down we got the score down to 3 and that is when he came in. No one blames him, but funny how nobody notices.
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Post by newfan on Feb 6, 2016 22:08:31 GMT -5
Would think whether or when TW came back in was a coaches call. Being he is one of our main guys, I mught have kept him benched. But that's my opinion, I am no coach. But I do know these guys are fighters and I'm sure if any one of them was injured but there was a chance they could tough it out, I think every one of them would come back and give it their all. We all could see he wasn't 100 but he made the effort as he could. Let's just hope he recovers and that we move forward in a good direction. We need to win as many of these last few before tourney time. By the way anyone with knowledge of TW status or Hawkins. Hoping any fatigue or other obstacles that might have been in play are resolved and better bball is to come. Rooting again for Monday win
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Post by cindycrawford on Feb 6, 2016 23:45:40 GMT -5
Rodney recovering from allergic reaction should be ok for Monday . Trevi doubtful. In the long run healing and rest may be best option .
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