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Post by junctionkid on Feb 2, 2016 0:02:37 GMT -5
It is rather sad to see more positive and less negative things about Peacocks on Iona's message board than our own . Is this the realistic or less delusional posting on this board that many brag about . Is it impossible , Loyal , for you to admit that the guy you were posting was dominating us , Washington , was actually outplayed by Q ? And the last 15 minutes was garbage time ? I don't think that Iona players or staff would agree . I know a few Iona posters do not . I think it is tremendously unfair to our guys who were giving everything they had in those minutes even tho we were basically playing with seven guys . I know that you applauded Trevis and Elisha for their efforts . You may agree that my memory and other things are failing and you may be right but I will seriously question your eyesight if you can possibly believe Washington dominated Q tonite . I don't know but my guess is that Cluess would rather have two Peacocks in his starting lie-up . And as to the poster who said Iona has four all MAAC players , where were they in that 15 minutes of garbage time . I guess from what I see here that it is quite unfashionable to say positive things about Peacock players . So my apologies .
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Post by oldtimer1 on Feb 2, 2016 0:03:31 GMT -5
Don't believe in pyrrhic victories as losses are losses, period. However, some of the comments I read make me wonder if some were watching the same game that I was. Not loyal but whoever he quoted saying that we hung our heads down either wasn't watching the same game or doesn't know much about basketball. Or the comment that we weren't aggressive or physical was so off base that it needs no comment except to say the we were the most physical team on the floor tonight. Quite simply, we were just out talented. Iona has several great shooters, we don't...period. Can Iona be beaten? Of course! As one of my close associates and Iona insider said "when they are hitting their 3's they will beat anybody but when they are off, as they have been in several MAAC tournaments, they will lose. As he said, it's hard to shoot lights out three games in a row in the Tournament.
Now for tonights game. I saw tremendous defensive effort by our team, especially at the end. And it was not "garbage time" as Iona had their best players on the court right to the end. To be fair Iona's defense was much better than in the past. I give them credit. However, the story of the game was that they made their open shots and we, as usual, did not.
Three shout outs
1) Q and Trevi played their usual strong game. If Trevi is not voted 2nd team ALL MAAC something is wrong.
2) Chazz played his usual strong game. Besides guarding English, Chazz had several steals ( recorded or not ) and rebounds. As junctionkid pointed out Chazz is adding a different dimension to his game. Everyone saw his tremendous dunk in the Monmouth game he added two more beautiful drives tonight. In short he is beginning to take the ball to the basket and coach is beginning to set up plays for just that. Chazz has teriffic elevation and should draw fouls if he keeps that up.
3) Some said over a month ago that Boone was just an athlete and not a basketball player. I posted then and now how wrong they were! Not a starter but becoming an important player. Great nose for the ball in rebounding and now playing more under control. Also, I watched him playing away from the ball on defense. He is very, very good. Along with Chazz, Trevi and Q, Boone can play very good defense.
So to sum it up. Our intensity was high, out fighting but not out talenting Iona. As stated several times, Iona and Monmouth are the cream of the crop but not necessarily unbeatable. Will take our best effort but as Coach stated, it is doable. My concern is about the Siena's Canisius', Rider's and others who can match what we have. All I know about this team is that they always put forth an effort. That's why they are fun to watch.
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Post by peacockpride on Feb 2, 2016 9:08:00 GMT -5
Junctionkid, you are a great Peacock fan, as are all of the few of us on this board. However, your comparison of our posters to the Iona board is comical for several reasons. First, some here describe other message boards, specifically Iona and Siena, by using words such as "delusional" and "uninformed" but now when they support your logic it is ok to cite them as logical? Secondly, reading the posts on their board leading up to both games, the consensus of their opinions seem to be - SP is well coach, always plays us tough, but let's get by them and worry about Monmouth and Siena because SP isn't a real threat to us in the standings. More backhanded compliments than positive thoughts. If you are going to buy into the logic that Dunne is one of the best coaches in the MAAC, you also have to buy into the logic that we do not have much talent (or equal talent) because his record is not indicative of a great coach. Of the following three statements: Dunne is a great coach, we have equal talent to anyone in the MAAC, our record is 8-12 and now 6-5 in the MAAC, one must be false because together they do not add up.
As "the poster who said Iona has four All-MAAC players", I'll give you the lines from last night and overall stats for the year: English (best player on the court) - 7/13 FG, 21pts, 7reb, 5asst (leads the MAAC in scoring and assists) Washington - 6/12 FG, 12pts, 8reb (8th in MAAC in scoring, 10th in rebounding, 3rd in FG% in less than 20min/game) Much - 5/8 FG, 14pts, 5reb (8th in MAAC IN FG%, 1st in 3fg% by a large margin, 12.6ppg, 3.4 reb) Williams- 2/7 FG, 7pts, 7reb (having a down year for him still averaging 12.9ppg, 4th in rebounding and most Iona fans would say the most important player on the team if they are going to win the MAAC)
Now you have said no way Iona has four All-MAAC players but you never answered my question in the original discussion of which of the above is not an All-MAAC caliber player in your opinion?
Oldtimer, I am pretty much in agreement with your analysis. Similar to the first game, Iona built up a big lead, a great comeback from SP but never able to get over the hump. A great effort but as I said a few weeks ago, we are one player short of being in the conversation with the Monmouth and Iona's. Doesn't sound like much but over the course of the year it makes a big difference.
Your statement on Iona is very accurate. Can't say they "get lucky" by getting so hot from 3 because that is how their team is built and how they want to play. But yes it's very tough to be that hot from deep 3 nights in a row which is why Manhattan has had a much better philosophy for success in winning the tournament. Good defense is much less likely to have an off night. Interesting that despite the enormous difference in winning percentage over the last six years that Dunne and Cluess have won the same amount of MAAC Championships.
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Post by loyal on Feb 2, 2016 9:20:16 GMT -5
Q tries hard. He is an above average MAAC Center. I root hard for him.
Last night, Q outscored Washington 19-12. Washington had one more rebound. Q played 34 minutes, Washington 20. I feel Washington is a better defender and a more polished offensive player. Just an opinion.
There are not many MAAC centers better than Q and I am glad we have him. I understand your point of view.....Q has to go it alone up front, as neither or our forwards are an offensive threat (PF lack of offensive moves/SF poor shooting percentage & finishing is an issue). So, it's easy for teams to gang up on our one inside threat, while Washington benefits from being on the floor with better players.
Can we agree to disagree? Hope so.
I did have the impression Iona took their foot off the gas once they re-opened a 14 point lead. That is merely a subjective evaluation. Maybe Iona was as focused in the last 10 minutes as the first 30. It just did not seem that way to me.
I can't say enough about how good TW is this season. He frequently gets the ball in a position to score inside to our PF. More than a few passes to our center are fumbled away. TW often hits our SF for a wide open 3 point shot on the wing. TW's assist to TO ratio would be unreal under different circumstances. If he played for the Gaels, God forbid, he'd be the MAAC's John Stockton.
Portley is now a marked man for MAAC defenses, as Desi was last season. Desi took much criticism for not working hard to make himself available. Desi was a senior, AP is a freshman, so maybe the criticism was justified. The common thread is well prepared opponents have, over the past two seasons, shown the ability to take away our best option. The offensive play of our two forwards will determine if we can make opponents pay for overplaying our guards. So far.....nada.
I still think we can go 11-9 or 12-8 and avoid the PIG. If so, the season will have been a success. Unfortunately, due to injury (Du) and an adjustment period from HS (Sam) we've not been able to groom a PF who looks like he can help the club next season. Our redshirt forward from Sanford can hopefully help, but think he is more of an outside player. Maybe he can help compliment some of Chazz' stregnths by providing some points?
With many clubs graduating their prime players, SPU can be one of the legitimate contenders to give the Hawks a run for their money next year.....but only if, IMO, JD can figure a way to generate scoring from our forward slots. Recruiting over the incumbents, unforeseen development of Hawkins, improved shooting/finishing by Chazz, Du stepping forward...those are the possibilities.
For now, if we take care of business at home in games we should be favored...Western NY, Fairfield, Manhattan, Quinny...we can still avoid the PIG.
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Post by figgyprez on Feb 2, 2016 12:02:40 GMT -5
My thoughts on last night: Portly was bothered by Iona's length- it may be that he is just a little slow on release or that he is being shaded on every possession but as a frosh he'll learn. Boone might average 10 a game at Iona or Monmouth because of style. Loves open floor, broken floor really active on both ends, but how will we ever get his best every night with what we do? I haven't a clue. Our margin of error is minute. When we play more talented teams we can't leave points on ft line or make really dumb to's like throwing passes to Q's feet while he's on the move- we did that 3x last night. Q is still most effective when he can roll or trail to basket and get high pass to lay up which Iona allows to happen due to the pace they want to play. Cam needs to be ready to shoot- again he might have been affected by their length. E is in a terrible run right now- not sure why but he is a nonfactor on both ends right now. Chazz probably would benefit from a more open style but that won't happen because we lack enough bulk at 4 and 5 for that to work. Trev is one of the most improved players in years at SP- harkens back to Alex Roberts John Krotulis and Mark Schroback jumps in performance. This might be a case of water finding its level, just can't collapse down the stretch
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Post by Peacock on Feb 2, 2016 12:53:57 GMT -5
Despite the obvious objections forthcoming, our offense throughout the last ten years has been pretty predictable and non innovative. In a single word, vanilla and dependent more on a hot night than on planning. Figgy had a decent comment that nobody seemed to comment on its insight. Not only our offense that's been predictable over the past 10 years. Nice to hear from one of the Holy Trinity..
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Post by junctionkid on Feb 2, 2016 13:22:35 GMT -5
Loyal , absolutely no problem with agreeing to disagree . I know your respect for the play of Trevis and Quadir as your posts this season have indicated . And I respect your unusual ability to say at times that you were in error about some of your views - not many of us do that well . But I will state again that I would rather have Q as my center than Washington . Washington is strong and undoubtedly has talent so I don't think that those on the other side are silly in their opinion . But I think the edge for this season as a contributor to their team's overall performance clearly goes to Q , and in terms of their upside for next year it is even more in favor of preferring Q as my center over Washington . I give very little significance to the argument that leans heavily on relative minutes to downplay Q's at the very least not being dominated by Washinton in last night's game as the ability to stay on the court for your team is an important part for any player and particularly for a big . Q's play was in large part the reason Washington was in foul trouble and only got the 20 minutes .
Stats are way overrated to me ( of course , except when they support the case that I am trying to make ) . I know others have little or no interest in things like POW or ROW but I do . But when the case is made in the highlights for each , how many times have you ever heard the award for that going to a player whose team has swept that week and the player is cited for totally shutting down the opposition's best player that week . In many , many years I don't think that I have ever seen it . I think that Washington can be an imposing force on the court a lot of the time but in terms of court IQ , he is not in Q's zip code . That two game suspension is a very valid point in this consideration . I have seen Q fouled really hard a lot this season . He just gets up and gets ready for the next play . That's the kind of player that I want to root for .
Those who are critical of my posts for being a " the glass is half full type " are totally correct . In fact , I will admit that I am a " the glass is overflowing type " . I have rarely ever criticized Siena or Iona posters for overhyping their players . After all , these are team message boards , and not journalistic efforts or conference message boards with their back and forth . My criticism of Siena and FF posters has primarily been about those who when things were going well for their team talked on and on about moving up in conference and demeaned other teams in their own conference .
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Post by Peacock on Feb 2, 2016 13:52:25 GMT -5
We all know the word Fan derives from the word fanatical. There is no doubt that people like to argue their position from the fanatical side. Pretty easy to pick out individual situations to make your case but few ever consider that this is a team game with team structure being the most important element. The utilization of that structure then becomes the important element The responsibility of structure and its implementation belongs in one place. We are not very creative in our plays. You figure it out. You have ten years now and still can't crack 40%. Other than the divinely inspired I know some hold this view.
Two individual and insignificant elements at the end of the game give to the point. Jones only came in the last minute and did hit a valuable shot. Should have been in earlier during the push. Trevis deserve the praise but did not perform well in the final possessions. Tried to do it all. Kudos to him but tells you more about the team structure.
As far as outsiders praising Dunne, you need to understand their premise. That premise is that nobody can do well at SPU and its a crummy institution. Having as your best hope, a punchers chance indicates that there are very low expectations from even the loyal fans. It also shows that success for this school would be a 500 record. 2 out of ten is not a subject for praise.
Every one talks about the tentative nature of the shooters. Well that also has been a characteristic of virtually every team the last ten years. The only player to violate that was Beilen and to remind people, he was sat twice for not following directions. Today we have a set up plan which is primarily a kick out. Nothing off motion. People forget how players would be benched if they shot when they were not the primary. Chris Burke had few plays for him.
Elias has been a real disaster in many of the last games. We know we are going to lose, so Idawu should be getting more of the minutes for experience. He even shoots better than Elias. One question that confounds me. How do we make these great pushes like both Iona games, the GW game, the Monmouth game and not make you wonder why we can't play like that earlier in the game. There are answers but it does make you wonder about our strategies. Tells you why Massiello is a superior coach to Dunne. I guess we don't wake up until we get 15 or more points behind unless it was the Rider game.
I expect a lot of rebuttal from the Holy Trinity but I have more respect for the school than they do as I truly believe we can do better. You will hear that I have an agenda and yes I abhor a 38% winning record after ten years. I will always root for us to win even now and take the abuse, but this love affair with the current staff is not my agenda, but the Trinities.
Now lets see how they do against Siena. Lets hope the coach actually game plans rather the same cookie cutter offense we see game after game.
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Post by spc91 on Feb 2, 2016 14:18:43 GMT -5
Peacock makes some valid points. I, too, have questioned things in the past but hold a more optimistic views of the team and staff. I know we can do better. I like Coach Dunne and the staff. They work hard. But, results have certainly been lacking. One thing I do know is that we were successful under Dukiet and Fiore despite the equally lacking resources during their tenure. In fact, one could argue that there were even less resources during those years. Things that could be leveraged to attract a recruit, such as the campus, were worse than today. So, what has changed? To my mind's eye, I think we still get the level of player we used to get. No different than other MAAC clubs. Yet, results don't necessarily change except for the odd year (2011). Please don't misunderstand...I am a supporter of SPU basketball. But, I cannot discount what Peacock continually states. We need to take a hard look inward.
Io Pavo!
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Post by junctionkid on Feb 2, 2016 16:57:48 GMT -5
Peacock , a lot of good stuff in that post . We disagree , and strongly , on a lot of things but I will always give you credit for running an open board letting us crazies post our views . Fascinating to me is that about the only time that I have seen you interject between posters, as opposed to moderators on other team boards , was to chastise me . But you were right in that I was taking part in a prolonged back and forth which is not fun to read . One thing that mystifies me is that at least from your posting the lack of joy that you seem to have in rooting for your team . For example , you take the time to criticize Trevis' play at end game . And to some degree you are right . He was trying to do much , and did miss a chance to pass to Antwon for a three when in retrospect that was the play , particularly given the game situation . But given the reluctance of some other players late in the game , and here I believe that we are in total agreement as to the reason behind that , is it not surprising that Trevis took those chances late in the game ? As another poster has said Trevis's minimal TOs relative to all that he does for is rather remarkable . As good and unselfish a player English is for Iona look at his TO problems at times . More to the point , why were you not posting about Trevis when he was playing a stretch of basketball that was a joy to watch not just as a Peacock fan but as a basketball fan .
You are absolutely correct about it being a team rather than individual game and I agree with you about some things about JDs tenure , but are you letting your unhappiness about that take away from sharing in the joy of rooting for the team . and I have no doubt that you do that given your heads up to all of us on articles about the Peacocks that we may have missed . And I am more hopeful than you right now that JD is changing in some degree his philosophy and tactics on the offensive end . Look at how various Iona fans took Cluess to task on Iona's defense , and were not totally ridiculed by other fans as having an agenda , and now Cluess does seem to have introduced more balance into his coaching philosophy .
We are in agreement on Cam . I have been posting since early season that 34 minutes for Antwon - the exception like KeeKee is just that - is asking too much for the team or this outstanding frosh so extra minutes for Cam to develop is better for both and the team .
Just one last thing on last night's loss and in particular the bad start . I had posted that in that early stretch of the heart of conference play that we had a distinct advantage in terms of rest time versus the opposition . We did and , except for some bad end game coaching against Niagara , we used it almost to start MAAC 7-0 . but then as you aptly posted - and good catch on rider - we were on just the opposite side of the scheduling in recent stretch . Going in the Iona game , it was Gaels' only third game in eight or nine nine days . It was our guys' third with only day off in between , and I believe it was our guys' fourth in eight days' if you take into account the prep for the Jaspers' game . I know that there are some fans who say these are 20 year olds who should be able to play everyday . But I couldn't disagree more . It as much the concentration part of it as it as the physical part of it . These young men also have other things in their life like the more important education segment . I guess that I am just saying that it wasn't just the level of comp difference between those two stretches .
I hope that the staff let these guys get away totally from hoop today and tomorrow for that matter . We know and they know more than us about the Saints . Thursday is the earliest the players should have to gear up for it . We are not at much of an advantage or disadvantage in these terms for the next two so let's get back to winning ways against Saints and improving Q .
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Iona Game
Feb 2, 2016 17:45:33 GMT -5
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Post by newfan on Feb 2, 2016 17:45:33 GMT -5
I will say Q, TW, and Boone played with their all. Chazz showed some awakening, great to see. Portly had it rough, he has to figure how to create a shot and how to be ready to shoot, he is a SG and must shoot when given open look. As viewed we were down 6, he was given pass by TW wide open look he did not shoot he chose to dribble ball into paint and lost it. Also he must keep moving on offense, make his defender work, at times he is planted " a la Desi" in one spot of course you are easy to defend, just stay with you. He has to get it that with a PG like TW who can find an open man and make the pass if he keeps moving TW will find him, he just has to be ready to let it fly. Elias is in some kind of funk, not helping at this time, as one posted give a newbie some of his minutes, might even play better than he is right now can't play worse. Hope he can pull it together Cam will no doubt shoot when open, maybe had he been in he might have hit a few , he did at Monmouth game, he is willing to shoot which makes you wonder the hesitation in Portly Yes TW took a couple a tracks at end that may or may not have been the best but can you complain, he Chazz Q Boone had the will to try to score maybe because at the time Portly would not shoot he had mindset take it to the rim, maybe draw foul, and 1. Clearly he was fouled but no call as most of the no calls went. Maybe Pirtly has hit that freshman wall and will come out of it soon. In hindsight I think we have shown when it happens we can push ball and run a bit. But if you listen close you will hear the voice of a play called, plays are needed for situations not almost whole games. We allow defense to set because if you watch the guards look over to bench to see what coach wants next. We have some good bball IQ players , they can survive without a play the others if you always direct them, they never know what to do when play breaks down. That is one thing having TW on court if play breaks he can " read and react" and get guys involved and get something going again, when he is not out there offense at times no flow. Lastly I got to sit at Minmouth game couple rows right behind bench. JD said to team we want dribble penetration then kick out once, then dribble penetration and kick out look for shot. How about if we get the kick out and you have s good look pull it. Play with the ball too much bad things can happen Kudos to guys staying in their places during what could have turned into a bit of a brawl, ref and coaches did a good job stepping right in esp ref who put himself over TW separating the two ( best job ref did all night lol). And was nice to see Iona player walk over to TW and they shook hands like gentleman and went back to playing the game without further incident
Well I'm done with my opinion. Hope all the guys keep playing better, those in slumps get over the hump. Will always root for all regardless of who I post on at any given time. Next game in hostile territory, hoping for win
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Post by oldtimer1 on Feb 2, 2016 18:13:53 GMT -5
To those of us who understand basketball please reread the last half of newfans post where he overheard JD's instructions to the team during the Monmouth game. ALL teams in college basketball basically use the same half court sets with only minor variations. In short...THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN. Where teams differ is on the abilty to hit the open shot, have individual players make plays either by shooting, dribble driving or finding the open man. We have only one player, right now, who has that capability. You can run all the "plays" you want but unless our players can hit the open shot OR have the ability to create then the fact remains that we have talent but not the superior talent to seperate us from other mid-pack teams in the MAAC.
But let's not draw that as a final conclusion. Players can improve. Trevis is the perfect example. Until then we could beat or lose to anyone.
PS Peacock...I prefer not to use the veiled unsolicited attacks that you do such as "the Holy Trinity". Unfortunately, you do not have the ability or IQ to make your point without that "put down" style. As for me, I'll be blunt. You are just an old fool, not really a Peacock fan,( never congratulated our team's victory in 2011/2012 )and whose basketball knowledge approaches zero.
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Post by peacockpride on Feb 2, 2016 21:26:22 GMT -5
Oldtimer, your first paragraph is spot on for the most part. Unfortunately this pass to the open shooter and have them miss a shot has been a trend for most of JD's tenure. I give him credit because this year's team is the first in a long time that I think we have more shooters than not. Peacock makes the point about reluctance to shoot of many players, which I somewhat agree with, although this year it seems Jones and Portley are pretty much given the green light.
Your bias against Peacock has you overlook an important question/debate that was brought up. Do you think that a 38% record and two winning seasons out of ten is the best any coach we could hire could do at SP? Spc91 makes a lot of good points and I share a pretty similar opinion. I like Dunne, think he represents the school well, and is a very hard worker under tough circumstances. Proud to have him as our coach. But why are the results different than the Dukiet and Fiore years when it can be argued that the college and Jersey City are much more appealing now than they were during those years? I have no doubt that if JD ever was let go he would have no trouble finding a job as a top assistant in a heartbeat, but what makes you think that he shouldn't be evaluated on his record? Quite honestly with a new AD with a basketball background I expect him to be judged on the success on the court and not hard work off it over these next two years. Given the personal relationship with JD I don't expect you to be as critical as some, but it is an interesting topic to discuss.
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Post by oldtimer1 on Feb 2, 2016 23:03:42 GMT -5
peacockpride...as a new member I can understand that you are not aware of the history of posting on this Board. Peacock has a long history of nasty and ill informed comments dating back to Bob Leckie and before. He has made many enemies, if that is the correct word. I've met him and his personality is to be condescending as if he knows something and everyone else is either ignorant or stupid. His basketball knowledge is zilch. He only appears when things are going bad and disappears when we are going well.
Perfect example, as many of us who have posted for years was the 2011/2012 season. Midway through the season and when we were beset by injuries to Wesley Jenkins and Ryan Bacon Peacock continuously posted negative and vitrolic things about our Coach and team. At one point, after a frustrating loss he posted that perhaps Wesley and Ryan should not start. What !!!. Earlier he knocked Nick Leon's ability so much that I had many back and forth's with him. Then we began to win and his posts were no where to be found...for over a month. Finally when we won the MAAC Championship he NEVER posted congratulations to the team. The standard joke among the regulars was that he was in the w3itness protection program. So you are only partially right. If there is a bias against him Peacock has earned it. Just his condescending way of talking, using phrases such as " what no one understands' or so and so "doesn't have a clue" should tell you all you have to know about him. Now in his post, he talks about the "Holy Trinity" and by that he probably means Cindy, myself and John Galt. Doesn't need to do that...just present your case without all that other BS stuff. You don't know me but my reputation is that of a friendly guy who has very few , if any enemies. I just dislike the type of person Peacock is as I've met several of them in my life. If that's bias, so be it.
Now to your main commentary. You stated " what make you think that he (JD) shouldn't be evaluated on his record" When did I ever say that? In fact, if you were reading this board for the last few years I posted that JD and any coach should be evaluated on their record. That was NEVER an issue with me. So your comment is not accurate mostly likely because you weren't around to read my take on the subject.
You also stated that given my personal relationship with JD might have colored my judgement. Don't think so. There are some things I won't or can't, by my own standards post on this Board...especially negatives about players. And when I do, I try to be gentle and pull my punches. I've been associated or knew a lot of Coach's and did some coaching myself. Don Kennedy, IMO opinion was a Coach far ahead of his time yet in my Senior year ('65) some students hung a figure of him in effigy because he had a few bad years ( the record wasn't all that bad because we scheduled several automatic wins.)Three years later we had our great 1968 Season!
As far as JD is concerned the guy can Coach. I guarantee that. Did you read my post when his former Assistant Marlon Guild said to me right after the 1st. Rider game that he considered JD not only the best coach in the Conference but in the area. King Rice has made similar comments. So who am I to judge by, those guys or some of JD's detractors?
That said, here is where I agree with you and others. No matter how good a Coach JD is IMO, if the record is not there than a change can be validated. If that happens, fine but we will lose a very, very good Coach. And as far as record is concerned how bad is 38% given the conditions and disadvantages here. To cite one example, I've been to several woman's practices and Patty and Phyllis really know their business. Had a lot of success elsewhere. So you have two very good Coach's with successful backgrounds. How are they doing? Think a 38% winning percntage would look pretty good both to them and posters here!
Although you state many of the advantages of Jersey City, and you are correct, you are probably not aware of the financial disadvantages that faces a St. Peter's Coach. Yes basketball players are on a "free ride" but there have been other things permissable by NCAA that we simply do not have the resources. Boe, I'm convinced, is in the process of changing that. But until we renovate our facility we will always be behind the 8 ball, no matter who is Coach.
Coaching is also an intesting profession. Probably a combination of recruiting skills and luck. These guys, myself included, are not genisius'.Long story but I've seen Dean Smith for example make a coaching move that I couldn't understand.. Read about Bobby Knight and even my favorite John Wooden and their early history of coaching. Take Dukiet, had a great run at St. Peter's but fell flat on his face at Marquette. I'll even use myself as an example, won two consecutive MAAC Championships and three COY awards but if Loyola, which had money, didn't leave the MAAC my totals might well have been zero, zero, zero.
I enjoy reading this board especially some of the newer posters such as yourself. Sometimes there is over analysis and disagreements but it's fun and interesting. I support JD because I think I know coaching and basketball...did both. JD can really coach and if the powers that be decide to go in a different direction so be it. But finally to answer your question, no I don't think that any Coach over the past years given the talent we put on the court would have done much better than 38% unless it was a big name and trust me, a big name would never come here to coach. Maybe if we finally got that renovated facility, yes but not now.
Finally this stuff about having the "green light" is just unknowledge fan talk. Anyone on the team, when open is encouraged to take the shot. Didn't anyone see Hawkins or Boone, who are definitely not shooter, pass up an open shot for fear of getting pulled? If JD "pulls" anyone it's for defensive mistakes or lack of intensity. This "green light" stuff is fan talk and not accurate.
Wow! That's enough
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Post by loyal on Feb 3, 2016 6:25:02 GMT -5
In a nutshell, JD advocates feel 38% is close to optimal, given limited budget, poor resources, etc.
JD detractors feel 38% over a decade justifies the axe.
My feelings on the matter change with every possession. :-)
Seriously, one objective measure we can use is the upward marketability of a MAAC level coach. Coaches AD's feel can benefit their higher level program hire MAAC coaches away, offering better compensation. Probably 15% of MAAC coaches over the years have gotten such an opportunity.
Relatively recently, Masiellio, Harnum, Mc Caffery, Michalich, etc. have been objectively evaluated as good enough coaches to warrant a "promotion".
If JD were considered a superior coach, or the equal of the above mentioned guys, by AD's who have forgotten more basketball than I know, he would have been hired away from SPU during the past decade.
That does not mean he is a poor coach; Everine is entitled to his opinion. It's merely objective evidence "professionals" have gone elsewhere when choosing an important hire.
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