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Post by loyal on Jan 21, 2015 10:25:26 GMT -5
Peacocks open a three point favorite tonight in "The Battle for 8th Place" in the MAAC.
To say this season has been a disappointment so far is, simply, understating the situation. Our reasonably talented offensive team consistently struggles to score 60 points. Why? There are a million reasons/rationalizations, but, it is what it is. Let's leave it at that.
Avoiding the PIG (quite the battle cry) begins with a win at home tonight. A loss?.......don't want to think about it.
The club played an OK game against the Jaspers, but threw in three clinkers (including the Monmouth win) immediately prior. I hope the last effort indicates our guys are turning the corner.
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Post by cindycrawford on Jan 21, 2015 12:03:14 GMT -5
Rebound and make those free throws at crunch time. Can't believe I'll be in the cold again on Albany on Sunday
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Jan 21, 2015 15:06:50 GMT -5
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Post by newfan on Jan 21, 2015 15:06:50 GMT -5
Well last game Desi and,Trevi sank all their FT's, other guys 1 out of 2. Got to make them all. We have to bring it tonight. All on deck. Like has been said, don't want play in game. Trying to make game but will listen in if I cant. For those of you who will be there, cheer them on. Hope student body brings their support
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Post by eport on Jan 21, 2015 15:41:06 GMT -5
Three points sounds about right and that amounts to a one possession game.....not to reassuring. We did beat them by six points on their home court, so this is definitely a winnable game. It's also a must win game if we are to avoid the pig......must defend home court and win the games you are suppose to win.
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Post by spcfan on Jan 21, 2015 16:33:35 GMT -5
Was going to head up to the game but already snowing very hard here at the shore and sticking. Will try and stream it on the website. Big game for us. Have to start turning it around after losing three out of the last four in the conference.
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Post by junctionkid on Jan 21, 2015 17:45:33 GMT -5
If the line has remained at Peacock's three point favorite , that means the "money" , given our home court disadvantage , has us six point favorite over Quinni on neutral court . It is sort of sad to think that Peacocks seemingly have as good a chance at six road wins in the MAAC as they do to achieve six wins at Yanitelli . Hopefully , tonight's results start to put a dent in that outlook . But one at a time as we start to turn this ship around . Desi and Marvin have to step for us .
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Post by loyal on Jan 21, 2015 19:21:43 GMT -5
We've scored 9 points in the first ten minutes.
Welton gets up to play Drame.
Fields has taken five shots. No other Peacock has taken more than two. Weird.
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Post by youngalum on Jan 21, 2015 19:34:16 GMT -5
Well I've finally figured out how to re-register to the forum. Bad news is I can't find a video link to the game. Anybody able to watch the webstream?
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Post by oldtimer1 on Jan 21, 2015 23:26:13 GMT -5
Tough to post on another night like this but I'll give it a try
1) Very few regulars there. Cindy away and most likely the weather
2) Here is what I saw...1st half we played very well, both aggressive with several drives to the basket. Team seemed snake bit as a lot of these drives looked good but somehow rolled off the rim. Refs were pretty fair except for one play where Tyler drove to the basket. Made the shot and seemed to draw the foul only to be called off for an charge. Bad call! Q looked pretty good early on.
3) In the 2nd half we reverted to our tenative style of play and/or their defense really picked up. Hearst showed me why he should be 1st. team ALL-MAAC. Maybe it was just tonight but he was twice ( or more ) as good as any of our guards. The kid is some player, a go to guy which is what we are lacking big time. We have some very nice players but IMO no go to player as most of the other teams in the league have. And no, even with Desi's big last second shots last year, Desi is no where near a go to type player. And I say that with respect.
4) Have to give junctionkid some props on his assertion that he would not take minutes away from Chazz and give them to Hester. Watched Chazz guard Hearst all night away from the ball. Did one of the best defensive jobs I've ever seen. Thought, at one point, that he was getting into Hearst's head with some pushing off but the kid made pure shot after pure shot with a defender ( sometimes Ty ) right in his face. If only Chazz could become offensive minded...excellent defensive player.
5) Foul shooting...argueably lost 4/5 games this year on foul shooting. Can't say, for sure, about this game but when the score was tied or one team or the other had a slight lead we missed foul shot after foul shot, 2/8 on the night. Quinny was 21-28 with three or four of those misses were at the end when the game was basically over. The fact that they had 28 attempts to our 8 had nothing to do with the refs. They pounded the ball inside or let Hearst score from the mid-range to outside. They deserved their foul attempts and made the most of it.
6) Think overall we are about equal in overall "talent" to Quinny and Manhattan but, to be honest, they have CONSISTENT go to guys and we don't. Same goes for Rider.
7) Had a Golf Team meeting this afternoon and when the meeting was over I noticed Marvin in the gym both shooting and working on his handle. I was impressed with his dedication. Hope he has a breakout game
8) Finally, had a half hour conversation with JD this afternoon. For those who care I came away more impressed with him than before. Threw a lot of questions at him in our discussion ranging from Hester to Masiello, to what he wants from our team offensively. Since the conversation was private I can only reveal the following. JD wants our players to create or in his words "make individual plays". JD's not the type of guy to throw his players under the bus and to his credit was never negative about any individual player. Moreover, he does take ( and feel ) his responsibility for our recent losses but I wanted the Board to know that it's not his philosophy to run a boreing, too structured offense. He wants players not just to run sets but to make plays off those sets. Take that as you will and I'm sure some will push back on that but if anyone watched our first half tonight or several halves of earlier games I saw that we were aggressive with players attempting to make "plays". Want to see much more of that but the truth is that, perhaps except for Marvin we have no go to type of player. My hope is that one emerges.
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Jan 21, 2015 23:39:11 GMT -5
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Post by newfan on Jan 21, 2015 23:39:11 GMT -5
Well I sat at game wondering, what's the fix. Sittung behind announcer. Sad to hear students saying, "forget this, they cant win nothing" Team needs that stud3nt support. We had no answer for Heard. Yes, Fields took about 5 shots, Think Trevis took maybe 4. Both guards scored on drives, Trevis had an and one and made FT, he did miss one later. Mel missed both FT's. But in both their defense they are not consistent shooters but they seem to be the only ones willing to take a shot when open. And they took good shots, no reason why shots didn't fall, but they didn't just throw up anythung, both good selection. Chazz took an open shot, Tyler took open shot then back to the same old "I'm open but not going to shoot". There is a problem when your shooters pass open looks and keep passing around the perimeter. Hawkins not much time, Hester in a couple times but nothing happened. Q couple post moves. One line up interesting Trevis, Marvin, Desi, Q all on bench. Our seniors are not leading. Marvin does the intangibles, Desi 1 assist 1st half, invisible, looks like last year, standing around, probably scoring leader but QU gave him couple buckets end of game, no need to foul us. Not a PG, plays with ball, misses open man and a little selfish at times. If you watched you saw the real deal. Not blaming loss on any player but just observing. Seems a winning mentality is wavering. Play in game looking more reality unless we can run it on the road. And a couple at home. We need guys to really step up.
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Jan 21, 2015 23:58:38 GMT -5
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Post by newfan on Jan 21, 2015 23:58:38 GMT -5
Just to clear,CP did shoot one, Ty did shoot, I was making an point when I said returned to old ways, as both did pass up more than a few good looks. Yes OT we do need a go to guy, Marvin demands double teams many times. DW not much of a threat lately along with not so great decision making. OT you post many good points,thanks for sharing some of your conversation with JD. And I agree if the guys are in in position to make plays, they need to start making them. If the guards set them up, they need to capitalize on it, make something happen. OT a pleasure to banter with you
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Post by oldtimer1 on Jan 22, 2015 0:37:52 GMT -5
newfan...again always insightful to read you posts. You hold nothing back and are usually IMO right on target. We do have some pretty good players and our record should be better than it is. What we are missing is not really a new offensive scheme as most teams use very similar offensive sets. What it comes down to is individual players making "plays". This is not to take responsibility off the coach. The buck stops on his desk but players have to perform. Don't believe the coach is hindering them but that the confidence and winning mentality is not there. We still have half a season to turn things around. Right now, I think what is lacking is confidence AND foul shooting...it's killing us. Not an excuse but reality.
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Post by Peacock on Jan 22, 2015 0:55:29 GMT -5
Guess real posters are leaving also. No need to question the impressed, but will ask one thing that no one ever mentions. Why attempt an inbound press and than give up at first pass in bound when the need to get possessions was immanent. Is it possible he didn't need to gain possessions, and before outrage, the events were occurring when we were five point down and around a minute left. Nine years and a very similar pattern evolves. Guess it is hard to pin point the common denominator.
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Post by newfan on Jan 22, 2015 7:13:16 GMT -5
If the confidence and winning mentality is lacking or not there then something is not right in Dodge. I don't know of any sports program where the players don't want to win. Masiello is a piece of work, but he is a motivator who gets the best out of his players regardless and it goes a long way. Not saying JD doesn't motivate but the players are not responding. Many posters like JD, respect him also, but even the best coaches sometimes cannot get a set of players to perform be it the style of play or the coach just cant get the response, In most other programs, a change would be forthcoming, even the best coaches sometimes are replaced when they don't appear to be getting the job done, many go to other teams and have success again, and evidently team they went to needed a change and with the change new found life and success. We have players with talent, so it is not always the players, yes they need to make plays, but when they are put in a play making situation, they need to feel the confidence to make it. They are tentative and play mechanical at times. This also effects our ability to recruit, it's not just the facilities and budget alone that hinder recruiting. I am one of the posters who like and respect JD but as with all other careers, when you seem to not be getting the task done, I'll leave it at that. I do know this season is slowly slipping and we all expected this year to be special. We do have some players who return next year, hopefully all do but will the game change, we don't have a perimeter playing team next year, seems we don't this year either since shooters reluctant, but the perimeter game is what we stick to. May be jumping way ahead but if things don't turn around, looking ahead seems appropriate
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Post by oldtimer1 on Jan 22, 2015 8:59:37 GMT -5
newfan...we know each other and I usually agree with your input but let me disagree. In your first post you blasted Desi ( and i cannot disagree entirely ) and agreed that either players are either not making plays, not making foul shots and that we do not have a go to guy. I agreed with you in my post. My style is not to really knock any one player I root for them all. Now you seem to put it all on the coach.
I posted what I did about the John Dunne because posters guess and assert that his offensive style hinders the players. Those posters fail to understand that we run the same offensive sets that almost every team does. Manhattan did and Quinny did also. The difference was that they had key guys making key plays all game long. Before the naysayers imply that I am exonerating the coach, I am not. I've posted any times that a coach's record does speak for itself and if someday the decision is made to replace JD so be it. I posted a small part of my conversation with him to debunk the redicilous posts that JD wants his players to be mechanical in running plays. He does not! If you remember in Cindy's post right after are first few games he reported that JD scolded his players for not pulling the trigger on many open looks. So either myself or JD is lying when he says that he wants his players to play. Look at the Rutgers game, yesterdays first half or even both Mamhattan games, we try to make individual plays ...sometimes we do, sometimes we don't.
And let me add this challange. I'd like any poster to tell me that we have more talent than Manhattan, Rider or even Quinny. Some of us live in the dream world that many of the Siena posters suffer from. We have good players and IMO one outstanding player in Marvin Dominique. Do we have any other player on the team that is even close to being worthy of being selected to the MAAC teams?...and that includes Desi. Even the leagues Coaches considered us 4th or 5th place at best. Please point out to me our great players. Again, very good players capable of beating anyone but no where near so superior to any of our opponents. Please tell me by naming names and not the generic cop out that we have superior talent.
I am not degrading our players and I would argue that our "talent" is comparable to almost any team in the league but we are not head and shoulders above most. Yes, this is a disappointing season to date. We should be doing better. We can beat anyone on any given night and have not done so. Ultimately, Peacock and others are right, the bottom line falls on the coach but please don't tell me that JD restricts his players from playing. That's pure bunk. Does he also make us miss foul shots which undoubtedly cost us several games? Try to be balanced in evaluating the Season to date. Plenty of blame to spread around.
Just to cite one example which I did not post originally. JD would like to see Trevis ( your favorite player (smile)) drive more. His exact quote was that " good things happen when Trevis drives ". That quote was not meant as a criticism to Trevis but encouragement. In fact, did Trevis drive much more in the last several games than he did in the first few games of the season? Did great against Quinny as did Jamel ( and Tyler). All attacked the basket. I see JD as encoraging his players to perform not hindering them.
Finally, to answer my "friend" coach Peacock.You questioned a coaching move. Hope it doesn't come as a surprise to you that when some teams put on a desperation press at games end most don't guard the inbound passer. Theory is 5 players defending against 4 trying to prevent that inbouds pass in order to steal the ball or create a 5 second violation. Done all the time.
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