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Post by Peacock on Nov 16, 2014 16:41:11 GMT -5
Let's make it simple for the single minded who seek to serve an agenda. Only one game, let's see what Sunday brings. 2nd game under the belt and your agenda of defending the defenseless needs explanation. You should come out of the closet. Hartford was a horrible team.
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Post by Peacock on Nov 16, 2014 16:48:03 GMT -5
Hartford game just ended...another loss. Disagree with my friend figgy on finding a mix. My reasons: 8) Finally, I prefer the word "benching" to 'Doghouse". Often doing that has a positive result. How about "benching" Jeron midway through our Championship Season. Returned to the starting lineup a different player and eventually MAAC, MVP. Tell me that that move didn't have a very positive outcome. Again, no idea about Dennis except that I do know that Chazz, by his preseason play, did move up the depth chart ahead on Dennis... Amazing after 8 seasons of mediocre to poor team displays you still live off one random event in one season. Dunne has demonstrated that he has no clue to offense. He has lost to more crap teams than any other coach in SPU history. Stick with what he is doing and how much success he is getting from it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 16:59:49 GMT -5
I'm sorry for the loss. Without Washington, it's mind boggling to me that the 2 Jucos aren't playing. Everyone knows Chazz, Wyche, Gaskins, and Boone aren't shooters. Without Washington, where exactly does Dunne think the scoring will come from?
Those guys are 40% shooters. Should use them...
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Post by oldtimer1 on Nov 16, 2014 17:08:52 GMT -5
Again you miss the point and/or choose to take your own intrepretation. So to make things clear my comment you highlighted had nothing to do with Dunne's accomplishments but to your comments about "doghouse"...another word that you like to throw around with little knowledge.
First, as I pointed out Dennis not playing had more to do with Chazz being given an opportunity than anything Dennis did or didn't do. Of course, you had no clue and as Galt said just took it as another que to take a shot at the coach.
Next, my point about Jeron was that " benching" a player could often have good results in the end. A positive thing of which you seem to know little about. So the next time you thow around the word "doghouse" please know what you are talking about and be ready to acknowledge that any coach doing so probably had reasons and that the end result could be a positive, for player and team.
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Post by oldtimer1 on Nov 16, 2014 17:29:54 GMT -5
saintkk...you think you know a lot about basketball but I view you as an idiot . Stick to you own team.
1) Boone doen't need to be a shooter. His reputation is as a scorer. Played in his first two college games and could be the impact player we need if he performs. He will get playing time.
2) And what do you know about shooters given the chuckers you have on your team? Maybe your coach should't play those guys! May come as a shock to you but there are many other considerations for giving playing time. Chazz, for example, is a better one on one defender than anyone you have and his performance against Brown was pretty decent.
3)Next, You know nothing about our newbees ( have you seen them play prior to this Season?). At this point neither are starters and I doubt that either are 40% 3 point shooters on the D1 level. Of the two Dennis has the most upside but he is more of a slasher and scorer than a shooter. Boone is the player to impact this year and he is already beginning to see playing time.
4) Amazing that you have opinions on players without having seen most of them perform. So save your tears and advice for your own team. Have a feeling that you'll need them. It's a long season.
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Post by junctionkid on Nov 16, 2014 17:34:10 GMT -5
We wasted great effort from Marvin and good game from Trevis . We could not put ball in the hoop from behind the three but this loss can't be placed on the players . Just as in first game , Dunne takes Trevis out in first half early when he was going well just as in the Brown game . What in the world is that move , particularly when the biggest weakness this team has is the lack of any back-up point who can run the half court offense . With Desi out , Travis and Dennis ( again ) don't see the court when we have no one hitting threes . I have absolutely no problem with Tyler or Chazz whatsoever but their being ahead of Simeon and now Travis - to the degree that neither of the latter even get on the court - makes zero sense . It must be injuries or teaching them a lesson but we will never know in the Dunne era . And we did indeed lose to a not very good team which was not playing well . Worst of all in my estimate is that against this team whose bigs we virtually shut out , we get beat solely by a three point shooter who can't create his own shot on his 5-5 shooting from behind the arc . And again that type of lapse is not on the players but on the staff - last word out of every huddle should be - don't let that guy beat us on the stand still J - let anyone else beat us . Players lose some games for a team . Coaches lose some winnable games .
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Post by JohnGalt on Nov 16, 2014 17:50:15 GMT -5
Let's make it simple for the single minded who seek to serve an agenda. Only one game, let's see what Sunday brings. 2nd game under the belt and your agenda of defending the defenseless needs explanation. You should come out of the closet. Hartford was a horrible team. This is more needless repetition but necessary for the close-minded and arrogant that revel in the plight of the impotent. Without perimeter shooting you don't score points. Without points you don't win ball games. Can we make it any more simple for you?
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Post by eport on Nov 16, 2014 18:04:19 GMT -5
Hartford is a team that just got blown out 71-53 by Sacred Heart. No way we should have lost to them. We outrebounded them 31 to 20, held them to 36.6 shooting and we still managed to lose. Their forward Taylor Dyson killed us with those threes going 5 for 5. Against Sacred Heart he went 1 for 10 from the field and 1 for 7 on threes......go figure. Just our luck he has a career game against us. Thought Wyche dribbled too much and forced too many passes into traffic. Only positive was Dominique's dominant play and overall team hustle. If we go a lousy 4 for 19 on threes instead of 3 for 19 we win the game.
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Post by oldtimer1 on Nov 16, 2014 19:34:05 GMT -5
junctionkid...."this loss can't be placed on the players"....what?? As a Coach I've always taken full responsibility for our losses ( inadequate preparation etc. ) and very little credit for our successes. But when we shoot 9/45 from the three 39/102 overall and 21/33 from the line, I find it hard to give the players a pass and blame it all on coach and staff. To me It's definitely a shared responsibility. Both need to turn it around.
Also it's about time that you stopped hyping Trevis. He's a good player and I root for him but he also needs to step up. Your comment about a lack of a back-up point guard is just nonsense. Fields is a good player and doesn't deserve the knock. Perhaps our starting point guard should perform like one and stop picking on his backup. Believe me, there's equal blame for everybody. I'd rather root for success than point too many fingers this early on.
Be there Thursday night and expecting the whole team to open the MAAC Season on a positive note. Too many second guess coaches this early on.
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Post by newfan on Nov 16, 2014 19:38:46 GMT -5
junctionkid...."this loss can't be placed on the players"....what?? As a Coach I've always taken full responsibility for our losses ( inadequate preparation etc. ) and very little credit for our successes. But when we shoot 9/45 from the three 39/102 overall and 21/33 from the line, I find it hard to give the players a pass and blame it all on coach and staff. To me It's definitely a shared responsibility. Both need to turn it around. Also it's about time that you stopped hyping Trevis. He's a good player and I root for him but he also needs to step up. Your comment about a lack of a back-up point guard is just nonsense. Fields is a good player and doesn't deserve the knock. Perhaps our starting point guard should perform like one and stop picking on his backup. Believe me, there's equal blame for everybody. I'd rather root for success than point too many fingers this early on. Be there Thursday night and expecting the whole team to open the MAAC Season on a positive note. Too many second guess coaches this early on.
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Post by newfan on Nov 16, 2014 19:53:33 GMT -5
Game was better than last but we should have won. Hester never touched court and he did hit couple shots in Brown game??Couldn't have hurt to try him. I have spoken to some of the players and they seem to get along. As Old timer said Trevis shouldn't knock his back up, As far as I heard they get along fine and respect each other, they both were on court together today, and Trevis is not the only one who needs to step up, they all do. It's a team. Shooting needs to be a part of practice. Maybe more inside out play although today Q had some soft hands at times. I like guard play and I gave seen both our points attack effectively and then stop. They both hit 3's today. Trevis got to rim and scored, then stopped attacking, Mel stopped attacking, why is my question especially when they show they can blow by. Yes Trevis dribbled into paint but he made solid passes (Marvin dunk), don't believe any turnovers. Mel does his job. No one or 2 players can be singled out for the loss. We shot poorly and you can't win if ball doesn't get in the basket
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Post by newfan on Nov 16, 2014 19:55:02 GMT -5
Game was better than last but we should have won. Hester never touched court and he did hit couple shots in Brown game??Couldn't have hurt to try him. I have spoken to some of the players and they seem to get along. As Old timer said Trevis shouldn't knock his back up, As far as I heard they get along fine and respect each other, they both were on court together today, and Trevis is not the only one who needs to step up, they all do. It's a team. Shooting needs to be a part of practice. Maybe more inside out play although today Q had some soft hands at times. I like guard play and I gave seen both our points attack effectively and then stop. They both hit 3's today. Trevis got to rim and scored, then stopped attacking, Mel stopped attacking, why is my question especially when they show they can blow by. Yes Trevis dribbled into paint but he made solid passes (Marvin dunk), don't believe any turnovers. Mel does his job. No one or 2 players can be singled out for the loss. We shot poorly and you can't win if ball doesn't get in the basket
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Post by loyal on Nov 16, 2014 21:27:35 GMT -5
Today, Hawks pressured SPU's half court offense very effectively when Fields played the point.
IMO, there is a significant drop off in our ball movement when Trevis is not on the floor.
Fields plays hard, but in no way is a true PG or pure shooter.......more of a great athlete who hustles all the time. Plays very good defense.
Just an opinion.
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Post by junctionkid on Nov 17, 2014 0:07:27 GMT -5
In the Brown game , when we were ahead 11-7 early in the game , JD took Wyche out inexplicably . Jamel came in and two minutes later after he had two TOs and a bad defensive play , we were behind by four . The whole good start wasted . Why ? Was JD upset at something Wyche did ? Well , you can tell him that during a timeout or when foul shots are being taken . If you saw the game , you know that . If you didn't see it , you don't know it . I have watched the game three times . Then , he takes Wyche out early in the second half and Trevis sees little or no time after that . Two positions you do not fool around with are the QB in football and the point guard in hoops .
I have absolutely nothing against Jamel Fields. I sincerely doubt whether Trevis or any player on the team does either . We seem to have a great group of guys who support each other in good times and bad . From what I know , Jamel is an exemplary person who has done great things with his life in facing adversities most of us have not had to deal with . He brings energy to the court for us . He hustles as much as anyone on the team . That energy has given us some good stretches over his career when we have been behind in games . But he is not a point guard , particularly not a point guard for JDs type half court offense . And despite what happened in the Brown game , Dunne does same thing in the Hartford game . I am not hyping Trevis . Never have . He does not need it from me . But I do know that if you have quality point guard , you don't fool around with that .
And JD , or any other coach , should not be above critical review by a fan . Fans are permitted to insinuate that we have a mediocre group of players and just can't tolerate a negative word about one of the coaching fraternity . I did not post that JD was a bad coach . I have indeed praised him on this board a number of times for his recruiting , for his program stability and for his representation of the school . I was criticizing him about some of his coaching decisions in one game . I have done that a few times in the past . I , as a fan , will always believe that his coaching lost a winnable game for us today and a winnable game for us at Niagara last season . How many other coaches have done in the same period . I think a whole lot . Does he take all the blame ? It is damn silly to even posit that . I said that our guys couldn't put the ball in the basket from the outside today before I talked about his coaching decisions .
Let's sum it up . JD is our coach . I believe that if he wants to be , he will be our coach a long time . I am unhappy about that on balance ? No. As I said , he does many things well . But I do think he leaves a lot to be desired in terms of coaching on the offensive side of the ball . It is too easy to criticize our kids to give him a total out on this , this long into his coaching career . I believe that there is a lot of talent on this team . I believed that there was a lot of talent on the Wes and Ryan teams .
More importantly , any criticism here was about one game . That's what message boards are about , I thought . Or do we have to be afraid we are going to upset one of the caching fraternity who has no problem whatsoever talking negatively about our hoops guys or his own golfers at times . Who criticizes other posters views about games that he has not even seen .
But , it is very early in the season . I hope that each and every player on the team - no matter how well or not that he has done thus far - just looks foward to playing as hard and as smart as he can each minute that he is on the court . Have fun out there whatever you might read here or anywhere else . And be all for one and one for all .
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Post by oldtimer1 on Nov 17, 2014 5:44:10 GMT -5
junctionkid....Just to let you know, I resent the cheap shots that you took at me...." or do we have to be afraid we are going to be upset one of the coaching fraternity who has no problems whatsoever talking negatively about our hoop guys or his own golfers at times." Liar
Let's deal with the above first. Regarding golf, I like to think that my team is the closet knit team in the MACC or anywhere for that matter. Our parents are absolutely great. True of this years team and the one prior. I'm proud of their accomplishments both in season and during the Summer Tournament season. As a coach I'm the type to pat my players on the back and rarely criticize. However, no coach worth his salt should never be afraid of speaking to players about what they need to do to improve. You obviously don't understand the difference between constructive criticism and bad mouthing. Finally, I do remember quite well that when we won the MAAC Championship last year that you were the only person on this board who did not offer congratulation. Didn't bother me as I just assumed you harbored ill feelings when I took objection to one of your "over the top posts"
Certainly you have the right to criticize anything but others also have the right to present another point of view contrary to yours. When someone does that you seem always seem offended.
1) You did put our looses clearly on the Coaches shoulders. Again that's your point of view to which you are entitled. If you bothered to read my post, instead of reinterpreting it to your benefit, you would have read that any coach worth his salt takes personal blame for any loss. If you knew JD as a coach and person he's that type of guy. He talks in terms of we (meaning team), not those guys. I really don't care what you think of him as a coach but you clearly put the blame solely on him without giving anywhere near a balanced view. I tried to point out the obvious statistics for both games showing and how putrid our shooting performance was. And that part of the equation is on the players. To me it was shared losses and everybody needs to step it up. Try reading my post not reintrepreting it.
2) Next it may surprise you that I agree with your analysis of JD's initial substitution patterns. Next to Cindy (who is in a class by himself as a St. Peter's fan) I've attended more SP games than anyone ( spcfan, figgy and loyal are also great ). I picked up several years ago that JD, like clockwork , substitutes at the 16:00 minute mark of the fiest half. Does it with this team and with the Wes/Ryan/Nick team. Not my style and I guess he has his reasons but I'm not the Coach. If I were I'd probably stay with the hot hand but again I'm not the Coach, nor are you.
3) Regarding Jamel/Trevis. Forgetting about your long diatribe about what a great kid Jamel is ( and he is) you imply that Wyche is our QB and there is a significant drop off when Jamel comes it. Last year, I can tell you there were times that Trevis wasn't getting the job done, Jamel came in and gave the team a greater contribution than Trevis had that particular night. That's what backups do! None of this to imply that Trevis is not the guy who is to lead this team. That said, you may have noted that several on this Board have legitimately criticized some of Trevis' shortcomings, namely shooting and possibly defense ( Jamel is the better defender ). For mysef, I understand the criticism but IMO opinion Trevis brings so many other things to the table, such as leadership, that his pluses far outweigh any negatives. Mark me down as a Trevis fan who also. However, like the others , needs to step up their games this year. It's very, very early and I remain positive. Finally, you may want to know that JD is a big Trevis fan. He too is hoping for a great Sophomore year.
4) Next, again stop reinterpreting my comments. I have repeatedly said that in order to be a contender this year we need two things to happen....#1 for Q to be the dominant player that he is capable of becoming and that we find a scoring threat at #3. That doesn't mean, as you erronously posted that I think our other players are not that good...bs posting. In my opinion Dominique is the best player in the league, that Desi would be an asset for any team and that Trevis is among the better guards in the league. So please don't twist a positive but realistic analysis into something I never said or meant. Too easy to create a paper tiger to attack.
5) Finally, to answer your query/ criticism about not using Travis. Check the first game box score ( and no one should be judged on one game ) but in 11 minutes Travis was 1/5 from the three and did little else. Chazz in 14 minutes went 2/5, 1/2 from the three with 4 rebounds...not bad for a backup! So coach junctionkid who would you give the playing time to in the following game. FYI I view JD as pretty flexible as to playing time. In fact, I know that initially Chazz was pretty low on the depth chart (behind Dennis) but apparently his play pre-season gave him this opportunity. Will it stay that way and will Dennis see action...who knows. Above my pay grade and yours.
" talking negatively about our hoop guys or his own golfers at times"....you owe me an apology for both untruths
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