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Post by oldtimer1 on Mar 29, 2011 19:18:20 GMT -5
Make of this as you will...I'm just reporting to give our regular posters some update and information. PE and JD have been in marathon discussions, especially today. Both seemed friendly but that is their usual demeanor. Tend to read something positive into this but that could be my bias.
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Post by eport on Mar 29, 2011 21:01:48 GMT -5
With all of the recent developments, it looks like Dunne may be here next year. If that is the case, I hope we are smart enough to give him a substantial raise for a job well done.
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Post by eport on Mar 29, 2011 23:01:45 GMT -5
Alabama and Iona's post season tournament play has made our wins over them even more gratifying.
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Post by youngalum on Mar 30, 2011 19:22:03 GMT -5
Any updates OT? I hope if some sort of extension or raise is agreed to that the school announces it. Let's us fans take a sigh of relief plus signifies to others our commitment. Most importantly lets recruits know it is safe to come!
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Post by jajk on Mar 30, 2011 19:41:47 GMT -5
Goodman who is reliable on this kind of thing has as in the FF mix as of now Dunne , Roberts , Laeto(sp) and Ferry . Given that group seems to me 35-40% chance we lose JD to Stags . Just hope it is over one way or another this week . I am not upset at all that JD is pursuing his chances but do think there is some kind of time limit he should impose on himself in the best interest of the school that gave him this chance .
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Post by oldtimer1 on Mar 30, 2011 19:48:37 GMT -5
jajk..read the Fairfield board. Think some of those posters are more in touch than Goodman. They are currently debating whether Ferry is an internet rumor or not. Wish choice is Bob Simon...JD rarely mentioned but surprises could always occur. Think the odds of losing him are less than you project but it sure interesting...isn't it.
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Post by jajk on Mar 30, 2011 20:10:21 GMT -5
I guess that most of us have been involved in this kind of thing a number of times and from both sides of the table . So as a fan who has no idea at all what is going on , it is still fascinating to contemplate the proceedings as it now drags on .
For instance , does Dunne have sufficient attachment to SPC or the type of comfort that we all had at times with a position that he has said to Eliot ' if SPC can see its way to give me this number I will pull out of any negotiations now . Or , conversely , has Eliot yet said to John ' we love what you have done for SPC and understand your pursuits now , but I have to have the interests of the program as paramount - so we want your decision by April 10 .
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Post by oldtimer1 on Mar 30, 2011 20:36:29 GMT -5
jajk...internet rumors abound everywhere. Take solice in that NO ONE knows exactly what is going on except the principals involved. Both Elliott and Dunne are tight mouthed by nature so no blogger or fan would have any idea.
My take on the meetings between JD and Elliott is that either Pat is making his best offer ( and I do think if it's money outside his budget , PE would need approvall from above) or JD is staying and they are renegotiating his contract. Read as you will but, as posted, they were in long talks and the deameanor was friendly.At the very least, they are keeping each other informed which is a sign of class and respect on both sides.
To answer your first question to the best of my ability, JD is very comfortable at SPC and is extremely well liked. I also do not minimize the relationship between an AD and his Coaches. In that regard JD will find no better working relationship elsewhere. He knows this.
The question I can't answer is the tradeoff between salary and opportunity, even if offered a substantial raise. That is the delimna he will have to work out IF an offer is forthcoming. Could see him interested in Monmouth or Fairfield but not Manhattan. Monmoth is gone and Fairfield is a long shot...think Fairfield will have a decision soon, possibly this weekend.
We have not even considered the possibility that SPC will make it's own announcement if JD's contract is renegoitated. The fact that no announcement has been made to date could also be telling.
My guess is that the smoke will clear very soon.
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Post by dreamweaver on Mar 30, 2011 21:53:09 GMT -5
Can anyone name a situation where a head coach under contract changed jobs within the same league? I can't. It just doesn't happen.
The last thing a league commissioner or college presidents want is competition with other member schools that drives up coaching salaries.
There appears to be an unwritten rule that head coaches and assistant coaches cannot change jobs and go directly to another school within the same league without a job outside the league in between assignments.
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Post by timcamp on Mar 31, 2011 1:25:20 GMT -5
I can't think of a head basketball coach who changed jobs within a conference. But assistant coaches moving within the same conference, including the MAAC, is not unusual.
A lot of time, it has to do with moving up the ladder, say from second or third assistant at one school to first assistant at another. An assistant who knows his way around a particular conference can be very valuable to a new head coach who comes in from outside the conference.
Finally, it's not basketball, but the head baseball coach at Canisius went there directly from Niagara, where he had been the successful head coach. And those two schools have a longstanding rivalry that is as old as their athletic programs.
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Post by JohnGalt on Mar 31, 2011 8:31:49 GMT -5
If reports are correct, to me it is a real travesty and embarrassment for both SPC and the league if the Commissioner allows schools in the same conference to even consider making advances to fellow member, head coaches. Shame on Ensor and the administrators at the respective schools.
Maybe difficult to acknowledge, but perhaps SPC should also be held culpable for not stepping up in the past and providing the resources to compete with fellow members.
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Post by Peacock on Mar 31, 2011 9:43:49 GMT -5
Agreement is scary isn't it. While everyone will defend the right to better ones self, there is an obligation to at least protect your current employer where there are two years left on the contract. Not only is it a slap in the face if he moves to another MAAC school for the MAAC admin and SPC admin, it also is poor to be associated with interviewing at these schools. He can go to any other school in the nation that has openings, but not within conference. It sends the worst message to any potential recruit and gives ammunition to those who recruit against us. For what it is worth it puts a lie to some of the class statements made by others.
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Post by loyal on Mar 31, 2011 10:16:04 GMT -5
Can see both sides.
As a SPC alum, I am personally disappointed and even a bit annoyed JD would hurt the school by (if true!) interviewing elsewhere in the Conference.
On the other hand, maybe staying in the area is important to JD and family....and SPC pays (relative) peanuts. Merck employees interview with J&J, ditto JP Morgan/Goldman, Microsoft/Google, etc. Leveraging "A" to get more from "B" is Business 101. Additionally, life goes on if an employee, no matter how key, seeks a new venue.
Balancing the two viewpoints, I guess my sentiments fall along the lines of one of my favorite fictional characters...."It's not personal..........it's just business".
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Post by oldtimer1 on Mar 31, 2011 10:16:08 GMT -5
Peacock...I really try to avoid you but you make it quite difficult with your inuendos. The latest:
..."For what it's worth puts a lie of the class statements make by others". Guess I'm the "others".
If you believe that neither John Dunne nor Pat Elliott are class individuals just come out and say it...that's your right as a poster. If so, you'd be in a very small minority and perhaps a minority of one. Those who know both hold very high opinions.
To couch your post as if I lied when I called both class individuals is just another example of your posting technique repeated over and over. Just state your own opinion and leave all your digs out.
To answer you statement..."For what it's worth..." It (your opinion on their character) is worth absolutely nothing to me.
PS Speaking of class, for the nth time why don't you show some class and congratulate our team and coach on a great season?
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Post by figgyprez on Mar 31, 2011 10:42:50 GMT -5
A couple of chirps on this. I think BC lost their football coach O'Brien to NC state in conference. Lets remember that bball is business. I would hate for coach to go to FF, but there is precious little loyalty on either side of the table in the coaching business. Look at what Painter just did. He played for and coached at alma mater forever, but whipsawed them with the Mizzou opening. Losing a coach in your league is a killer and I would probably stipulate vs that in a contract, but if there is no such clause and coach has an out clause there's not much one can do. Lets also remember that not winning enough has been a cause for dismissal at many schools and among boosters and bloggers including on this board. I can recall myself calling into question how long SPC should go with relative success that JD was producing and trust me I wasn't alone or the most strident in demanding that he win more than he was. At fancier schools such views are even worse. So like I said there's no real loyalty and the best you can do is contractually bar certain moves. I hope JD is just whipsawing with FF, but if not like Yankee fans like to say he's playing within the rules.
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