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Post by loyal on Apr 1, 2015 8:14:36 GMT -5
Very few spring-signed MAAC frosh contribute materially in their first season. Clark has been the only big impact SPU frosh in the past 25 years....and he committed early. It is unlikely any true frosh SPU signs this spring will make a big contribution to our team next year. Based on our returnees limitations, that is a big problem.
To be at all relevant next season (we will be pre-season 10th or 11th for sure) staff will have to land JUCO's and transfers to contribute right away....two starters are a minimum, IMO.
Let's see what develops. Lots of transfers out there.
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Post by newfan on Apr 1, 2015 14:22:44 GMT -5
Well this year's team was expected to do great things but that didn't happen to the degree we thought. Who knows what will happen next year. I won't say SPU will be a bust because we just don't know. Team might turn out to be better in some aspects than expected. I do know that deliberate game we play has to be changed, can't be successful if everyone knows what you are going to do and you keep doing just that. They don't have to change we do. I'm just staying in a positive light
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Post by oldtimer1 on Apr 1, 2015 15:01:52 GMT -5
newfan...respect your opinion and others on this Board but from my point of view we just don't get it. Our problem is often a stagnant offense but NOT because we play so delibertly or "don't run". If anyone attended or watched last years games we ran with the ball almost every time we got an offensive rebound. In half court our "sets" were no different than 90% of the other D1 Teams...we were not slow down team. The difference is that we did not have players ( save Gaskins and possibly Wyche, on occasion ) who could and did make individual plays. Watch any NCAA Tournament game and you will see that every big time team has players who can make plays once the ball is in their hands. All this stuff about stagnant offense is frustrating to read. Last year we ran sets which are almost universal in college BB ( there isn't much new under the sun) but we did not have players who made "plays". Every team passes the ball around the perimeter ( or tries to go inside) but then SOMEONE makes a play. Rarely do "sets" leave a player wide open for an uncontested shot. Players make plays...individual plays!
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Post by newfan on Apr 1, 2015 15:57:55 GMT -5
Well I did get a chance to talk to a couple of players last year. What they said was even though JD said he wanted everyone to try to score, etc, the offense was supposed to run through Desi and Marvin first. Understandable, especially with Marvin. But it was still done in DW disappearing moments. Many times even TY deferred trying to score. Was it lack of confidence or was it that was coach chain of offense. We can't really say cause we're not in the locker room. But there was a lot of deferring. Maybe we will see what others can really do. Not disagreeing with you Oldtimer, just have my own opinion. Glad to hear your team is doing well. Will be looking for Golf updates. Continued success to you and your team
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Post by cindycrawford on Apr 1, 2015 16:34:44 GMT -5
I have to side with OT on this one. In watching the top 25 teams in the tourney I would have a hard time recognizing any new, or creatively different style or sets. What these teams had were bigger,stronger,superior athletes capable of creating and more importantly FINISHING. If we had this caliber of athletes our sets and style would look more exciting.
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Post by newfan on Apr 1, 2015 20:21:22 GMT -5
Well I guess I want to remain optimistic. If I was reading Oldtimer and Cindy for the first time one would think we have no players of talent or caliber. But I have read your posts often enough to know you don't think that. The guys left played hard, some were major factors in winning some games. And I know they will keep playing hard, yes we do need some high impact players to add to the core. Hope it happens
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Post by oldtimer1 on Apr 1, 2015 21:07:45 GMT -5
Thanks newfan. I'll continue to root, like you and others, for our Team. The entire Conference is struggling and as is our Team. In fact, the entire NYC area is not what it once was in terms of college basketball. Perhaps it can return but ?
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Post by junctionkid on Apr 1, 2015 22:14:18 GMT -5
Deliberate ? Fact - Peacocks ranked 321 nationally out of 351 teams in possessions per game . That was in the bottom tenth . If you think the player bashing was harsh last year , read what we have seen posted already in this offseason . Don't think anyone here is comparing our guys talent relative to the talent of the top 25 teams in the nation . We play in the MAAC . St Francis Brooklyn , NJIT , Iona and Manhattan were all teams in the metro area that gave their fans a great amount of fun rooting for teams at our level this season . Excuse me , I forgot about all the great arenas and facilities those programs benefit from .
One of the great players as well as an outstanding coach and executive , Jerry West , was recently asked what the most important thing was to winning at the college basketball level . His answer was coaching . But let the facilities and administration and player bashing continue . It is such worthwhile reading that we don't have to go to other boards to hear negative trash about our school and program .
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Post by oldtimer1 on Apr 1, 2015 22:35:06 GMT -5
junctionkid...as Gault posted you are indeed pathetic. You are the trash talker and basher of others viewpoints. It's your trashing of others, including Coach, which is so easy to see through.As stated...pathetic
" We play in the MAAC, St. Francis Brooklyn, NJIT, Iona, Manhattan were all teams in the metro area that gave their fans a great amount of fun rooting for teams at our level this season" Guess for all your bluster about being a long time Peacock fan you had no "fun" rooting for "our" team this season! Beating Rutgers, the great Iona game, our two wins in the MAAC tournament didn't do much for you. Speaking for myself, and I think others, I enjoyed all our games...win or lose, frustrating or not.
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Post by junctionkid on Apr 2, 2015 4:29:55 GMT -5
oldtimer 1 , what a delightful post to read first thing in the morning . It is so nice to see that you must keep a running diary of John Galt's responses to my posts applauding the talents of a Peacock player . Whatever others might say about this relationship between you and John , I think it is so darned cute .
And as to your need to put quotes around my use of the word our , as in our school , do you and John have breaking news for us ? Have the two of you taken possession of SPU and changed the locks ? Only those alumni who share your opinions , allowed to donate now ? I guess the next time that I get the letter or call from SPU for a donation , I'll have to say the golf coach told me it is no longer my school .
I'll have to end this here unfortunately since I have to be out the door in an hour or so to play another round of the beautiful game of golf . I haven't been able to play any sports in many a year now but I do still get around the golf course and chess board quite well .
Oldtimer , keep up that great sense of humor that you and John share . It is the best thing about the both of you . And I mean that sincerely .
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Post by oldtimer1 on Apr 2, 2015 8:31:09 GMT -5
And you have the nerve to criticize others for, in your opinion , talking trash. I can handle, as you know, anything you throw at me but now you are out of the closet about John Dunne. You don't even know him but you now choose to attack him personally. Not just his coaching skills, which is fair game, but now his personality. As posted previously, pathetic.
PS Yes, it's your school also ( don't put words in my mouth to the contrary ) as you need to remind us in almost every post you make. Since some of the truest things are said in jest I wish you a decent round of golf but please take your meds before leaving...half humorous/half serious. Finally, no one needs to "change the locks" because you are never here anyway. Enjoy your round of golf and, as with your post, I mean that sincerely.
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Post by cindycrawford on Apr 2, 2015 9:42:23 GMT -5
Sorry if I am confused by some of what you've posted j-kid. You are critical of OT when he quotes Galt or refers to one of my posts yet you are willing to cite Jerry West's prejudicial opinion of what is the most important factor in success. Strange that he would say this. I think I recall him being the coach of a few championship teams. I guess the "talent" on those teams had little to do with winning compared to his genius. Newfan, I like OT, can I say that,respect and value your opinion for even when different never stoop to personal attack and are always rooted in a passion for Peacock success.. And you are right I am not bashing any of the players. My point was that they simply not at the talent level of teams that we now watch nightly on cable.. I would not risk life and limb as was frequently the case this year on highways traveling to Buffalo Albany and Boston if I didnt both lenjoy and love the Peacocks,win or lose.. Winning sure beats losing but like a parent of a scholar athlete or even a little leaguer,you don't love them any less when they lose,sometimes you love them even more as you see and feel their pain and disappointment. Now let's all hope we can get a few of our visitors to sign on the dotted line
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Post by figgyprez on Apr 2, 2015 12:06:48 GMT -5
Well said Cindy. And of everyone on this board you have the most right to say it because you not only talk the talk, but walk the walk like none of the rest of us. As you know, I'm not at all thrilled with our current direction- don't know exactly who is- but when it's part of you you just don't-can't walk away. Ask any true Cub fan
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Post by cindycrawford on Apr 2, 2015 13:04:14 GMT -5
Thanks Figgy,I just wish we could all discuss our differences of opinions without the personal attacks. We all want the same thing and maybe the frustration of not getting it has left the emotions raw. My gripe is not with the players,coaches,or other posters but with an administration that is clueless.
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Post by junctionkid on Apr 2, 2015 14:08:23 GMT -5
Oldtimer, your most recent post in response to my previous post goes on at length about my post being critical of not only John Dunne's coaching ability but also his personality . Just for the record , my post never mentioned John Dunne , his coaching ability or his personality . It never referred to him in any manner , shape or form whatsoever . My post starts out about you finding it necessary to quote John Galt's reference to me as pathetic and all references thereafter to John are about John Galt . It just represents another of your totally incorrect and pathetic posts .
Cindy , you rightly post that this board should be about our rooting for the Peacocks and not personal attacks . But your recent post equates Oldtimer's citing another poster calling me personally pathetic with my quoting Jerry West's opinion about basketball . I would say that I was confused but it is rather clear by now that your calls for differences of opinion without personal attacks are exceeded by your support for a buddy no matter how wrong he may be .
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