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Post by peacockpride on Dec 23, 2016 11:47:01 GMT -5
spusoccerplayer - I don't disagree with anything your saying. My original post was in response to another poster that wondered if Boe leaving would have a major impact on student-athletes looking to transfer. I don't believe it will. All of the things that you mention have nothing to do with Boe leaving- they were that way before she arrived, while she was here, and most likely will stay the same now that she's gone. If you read my posts in this thread, I am very upset and disappointed in the administration as well and your example of athletes not yet being informed is disgraceful. As for me "going on a rant about records," I have never discussed records of non-basketball sports in terms of evaluating performance and recruiting. You said yourself, "ask any kid at the school if they feel like D1 athletes, w/ exception to M&W Bball, the answer would be the same." Obviously you feel that basketball is treated like a D1 sport. Where I disagree with some here is that I'm not sure that the administration doesn't want to invest in athletics. I agree that athletics is not a top priority, but at the same time with the lowest endowment in the conference by far, the lowest credit rating in the conference, and the college now operating in a deficit due to incompetence, it's not like there's bags of money sitting around that could be going towards athletics. If you look at the overall athletic operating budgets of each MAAC school, the ones at the top have the most money in their college budgets and I would say their investment in athletics is most likely proportional to SP in the percentage they spend out of the colleges overall budget. @pride: I respectfully disagree with what you're saying about things not having to do with Boe leaving. As state previously in this thread, the administration wants a 'yes man', not someone who's trying to change things. The full time/part time thing has A LOT to do with Boe and when that reverts or they go back on what they're saying, how do you expect a good coach to want to come into this situation? You recruit coaches as much as you do with kids. There was a real sense of, 'wow, Boe might actually be able to help this place', even if it's after this class or a few more are gone. That was taken away from us. As for the 'rant' thing, I wasn't inferring that you would, I was saying that you could and it would be understandable, that got mixed with bad wording on my end. I agree with a lot of what you're saying and have said from a fan's perspective, there was at least the perception under Boe that things were moving in the right direction. Probably not as fast as needed but as fast as reasonably possible. What is unknown is whether some of the things mentioned, and specifically in your example of a full time coach, were promised by the administration, were a goal of the administration but not certain, or just something Boe thought was going to happen. We'll never know what went on in these meetings. OT1 who we know has knowledge has said one thing, boesucks also clearly has inside knowledge and has a different perspective that Boe was being dishonest with administration to get what she wanted. Possibly some truth on both sides and we'll never know for sure what the full story is.
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Post by peacockpride on Dec 23, 2016 11:54:47 GMT -5
Athletics is not a top priority. Money can be moved around. Just take a look at how the 7% plus cuts were allocated. Some things had priority, Athletics did not. But that's a debate for another day. I agree but we often look from the Athletics perspective only since this is a basketball message board. 85% of the school is non-athletes. In the big picture, should athletics take priority over other areas on campus that serve the far majority of students that are not athletes? Obviously we all want more for athletics and the teams, but that can't come at the expense of other areas on campus. Part of the reason that I feel we need to bring in a fundraiser as an AD. The budget will always be what it is because there's simply not enough money that can be responsibly moved around to give athletics what it needs to be competive. Athletics needs to find a way to generate revenue on its own, which most other schools have a way of doing to some degree.
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Post by oldtimer1 on Dec 23, 2016 12:22:10 GMT -5
A debate for another day. One can't measure how much a strong Athletic Program brings into the Universtity. But just look at the schools that have become athletically prominant over the last several decades, Gonzaga for example vs those that have declined, the Univ. of San Francisco ( Bill Russell, KC Jones and their football teams) for example. Yes, that was long ago but the analogy still holds. Those Univerity's that have understood that have prospered, ours has not.
And even if one would argue for Athletics to pay it's own way what about Development would have been the recipient of any appearance money for years. Add to that salaries of Faculty ( plus many other benefits such as health insurance, pensions, sabbiticals and the like ) vs those of part time and even full time coach's. Ridiculous! And I can speak volumes on that as I was a full time Assistant Professor for several years, many, many years ago.
By the way, my first starting salary as Golf Coach was $5,000 eight years ago. And that was an increase over the previous Coach thanks to the generosity of Bill Stein. So yes, I could write volumes on the disparity of Coaching salaries. However, to be fair the same is true for most MAAC schools except that their part time salaries are still much greater than ours.
As some have posted, we need a business person in charge.
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Post by spualum85 on Dec 23, 2016 13:16:43 GMT -5
Boe- Good riddance. Take the rest of your terrible hirings with you. She will never get another job in the metro area I guarantee it. She was a pompous POS and a man-hater. Bottom line is SPU has terrible athletics because they have horsesh*t facilities, absurdly high tuition for a decrepit school and the area is terrible. All of that equals to bad recruits that no one wants. Here is a solution; deplete the entire athletic program and save the $ and embarrassment that the teams cause. No one goes to any games and don't tell me the 6 old white guys that sit in the stands for the basketball games is the reason why we should keep athletics. All academic school - trust me no one will even blink an eye.
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Post by youngalum on Dec 23, 2016 13:27:03 GMT -5
Boe- Good riddance. Take the rest of your terrible hirings with you. She will never get another job in the metro area I guarantee it. She was a pompous POS and a man-hater. Bottom line is SPU has terrible athletics because they have horsesh*t facilities, absurdly high tuition for a decrepit school and the area is terrible. All of that equals to bad recruits that no one wants. Here is a solution; deplete the entire athletic program and save the $ and embarrassment that the teams cause. No one goes to any games and don't tell me the 6 old white guys that sit in the stands for the basketball games is the reason why we should keep athletics. All academic school - trust me no one will even blink an eye. Real classy trashing people and the school while hiding behind a screen name
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Post by spusoccerplayer on Dec 23, 2016 15:28:30 GMT -5
Boe- Good riddance. Take the rest of your terrible hirings with you. She will never get another job in the metro area I guarantee it. She was a pompous POS and a man-hater. Bottom line is SPU has terrible athletics because they have horsesh*t facilities, absurdly high tuition for a decrepit school and the area is terrible. All of that equals to bad recruits that no one wants. Here is a solution; deplete the entire athletic program and save the $ and embarrassment that the teams cause. No one goes to any games and don't tell me the 6 old white guys that sit in the stands for the basketball games is the reason why we should keep athletics. All academic school - trust me no one will even blink an eye. How can anyone take you serious when you sound like a little kid having a tantrum? Sad that we'll be in the same alum group in a few years. You rip apart Boe then cite everything that wasn't her fault.. nice. As to bad recruits that no one wants, a lot of us had offers else where and ended up her because of how much $$$ we got offered. Watch who you're talking about, because if you were an athlete, you're putting yourself in that grouping, and if you weren't & have no connection except your schooling, you don't belong in this discussion. Happy holidays disgruntled spualum.
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Post by oldtimer1 on Dec 23, 2016 19:35:05 GMT -5
spusoccerplayer...you're good! I predict a bright future for you after graduation. If you ever see me in the hallways, come over and say hello. I'd like to meet you.
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Post by figgyprez on Dec 24, 2016 13:11:50 GMT -5
OT the roots of this go way back. There's a story I'll share with you at Monmouth game when I hope to see you that puts some of this in a little perspective for me. Sorry guys and gals but because of who was involved I'm a little uncomfortable posting it here- those of you who know me know I've never done that before- but I think OT would benefit from a short but as it turns out telling scene
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Post by oldtimer1 on Dec 24, 2016 13:22:15 GMT -5
Thanks, figgy. See you on the 3rd for the Monmouth game.
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Post by spusoccerplayer on Dec 25, 2016 8:31:24 GMT -5
spusoccerplayer...you're good! I predict a bright future for you after graduation. If you ever see me in the hallways, come over and say hello. I'd like to meet you. Will definitely do so in the 2nd semester, thank you! Have a Happy Holiday!
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Post by cindycrawford on Dec 25, 2016 11:47:10 GMT -5
Thanks, figgy. See you on the 3rd for the Monmouth game. Better make that the 2nd OT or you'll miss figgy I'm surprised spell check didn't change that to miss piggy
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Post by oldtimer1 on Dec 25, 2016 13:06:25 GMT -5
Thanks Cindy...Jan. 3 would have been a wasted ride, let's hope Jan. 2 isn't. Got jobbed last year at home, hope it's payback.
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Post by peacockpride on Jan 3, 2017 11:58:12 GMT -5
Here's the inside scoop that Ronnie posted on the MAAC board. Sounds like good news of things to come "not coming back to Manhattan college at all and ST.PETERS University has new was hired athlete director is David BRYNGI HERE IS STORY IS PRESIDENT OF ST.PETERS UNIVERSITY HAS FIRED BELINDA BOE PEARMAN PLZ READ AP SHE WAS FIRED ON DECEMBER 21, 2016 BECAUSE THE TEAMS WASNT WINNING AND THAT REAL REASON THE CHANGE WAS MADE THAT OK GO TO AP FOR ME CHANGE IS GOOD. AND ST.PETERS UNIVERSTIY MENS BASKETBALL PULL A UPSET WIN LAST NIGHT AT ST. PETERS BY THE SCORE 71-61 TO MONMOUTH THERE TIE FOR FIRST PLACE 2 WINS-1 LOSS IONA IS 1-2 MOMNMOUTH IS 2-2 THERE PICK IN THE PRESEASON POLLS 1 AND 2 THIS GOOD NEWS FOR NEW ATHLETE DIRECTOR AND WOMEN IS 2-2 IN THE MAAC CONFERNCE SO CHANGE IS WORKING MY THINKING ST.PETERS UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT GOING HIRED DAVID BRYNIG AS THERE NEW ATHLETE DIRECTOR SOME TIME NEXT WEEK BECAUSE HE DO A GREAT JOB AND BRING A MAAC CHAMPION FOR ALL SPORTS MY GUESS IS BE THE ST PETERS UNIVERSITY MENS BASKETBALL TEAM IN 2017 AND MENS BASEBALL PROGRAM TOO BOTH TEAMS WILL GO THE FINAL FOUR FOR MENS BASKETBALL PROGRAM AND MENS BASEBALL PROGRAM TO THE COLLEGE WORLD SERIES BOTH BE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IS OVER FOR IONA AND MONMOUTH AND MANHATTAN DAVID WILL BE FIRST ATHLETE DIRECTOR SINCE BIL STEIN IN 2011 WOMENS PROGRAM GETTING BETTER WE CLOSER TO THAT GOAL BASKETBALL GOING IN TOP 4 SEEDS IN THE MAAC BASKETBALL WOMENS CHAMPIONSHIP WILL WIN IT TOO SOFTBALL WINNING IT TOO THIS YEAR MANY THANKS TO DAVID THERE BE NEW SCOREBOARD IN THE GYM SOON AND NEW PRESS BOX AT THE BASEFIELD JERESY CITY PARKS DEPT IS WORKING WITH DAVID MAKE THING HAPPING AND NEW BASEBALL FIELD IS GOING HAPPEN BEFORE SEASON STARTS THERE TALK THAT MAY PLAY AT SETON HALL BASEBALL FIELD FEW HOME GAMES IN MARCH OK NEW FIELD BE READY BEFORE THE MAAC SEASON STARTS OK LET YOU KNOW THERE BE STAFF CHANGES AT THE AD DEPT YES WILL BE ONE PERSON WILL BE LEAVING END OF THE WEEK BY NEXT WEEK CANT SAY WHO ISIT YET KEEP YOU IF THE NEWS BYOK LOOK AT AP REPORT ON LINE OK BY "
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Post by Peacock on Jan 3, 2017 12:24:28 GMT -5
One would think altztimer would have reported this. But than again it has the same structure as one of his posts. You sure this is not his.
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Post by peacockpride on Jan 14, 2017 10:27:32 GMT -5
On the surface you are correct but no need to try to knock Debbie. This was a pick by Boe to bring in someone she was comfortable with and knew could handle budgeting and accounting properly - basically her "right hand woman". I also have heard that the situation with Lefevre had many people at Manhattan looking to get out as he was not well liked. (Hell, even Ronnie left LOL) I feel bad for Debbie, who worked at Manhattan for a very long time and gave up a short commute to come to SP with Boe. She agreed to be part of the changes Boe was trying to implement, came here for a year and now Boe is gone. Not what she signed up for.
So while you say she doesn't have the best resume, she did do the same job at Manhattan for 17 years and was also their Senior Woman Administrator until Boe came on and Noah gave Boe that title. She has a lot of experience, albeit in one place.
Also, I wouldn't read to much into titles at schools like SP where each department has only one person. Sr Assoc AD, Assoc AD, Assistant AD is a lot of semantics as all positions are the heads of their respective departments and report directly to the AD. I'm sure a better title and a raise were part of the incentive that Boe used to convince Debbie to come to SP, but I haven't heard of anyone who thinks she isn't qualified to do the job she was given. There was a criticism here that she only knew how to do things "the Manhattan way," which may be true, but doesn't anyone who takes a new position try to do things in a way that have been successful. I think we all agree the "SP way" has not been a good one for many years in many areas.
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