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Post by oldtimer1 on Dec 21, 2016 22:00:36 GMT -5
. One of her main allies, Dr. O'Sullivan , is out on Sabbitical. Read him as a good guy who knew the importance of athletics as part of any University.
Regarding potential transfer of athletes. Hate to say it but not many, except for a select few , will have interest from other schools. Moreover all are on some type of scholarship, athletic or academic. Recruiting could be another story but then again I have no idea if this will impact at all. This whole affair is already being covered up and things appear to go on as usual.
Still believe that while in the back of our Administrators minds something happened at that meeting. Absolutely, no sign of it at our Coach's meeting only several days before. Things were proceding as usual. Even had a guest speaker. Also, if planned, why do this several days before Christmas? That would be another new low.
Oh well, things will calm down in a few days and unfortunately things will revert to normal, whatever that is!
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Post by oldtimer1 on Dec 21, 2016 22:10:05 GMT -5
Thanks Monty, also quite possible. For what, specifically, I have no idea. All I can tell you from my perspective Boe was a straight shooter that I personally respected. Can't say the same for others.
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Post by oldtimer1 on Dec 21, 2016 22:52:28 GMT -5
pride....I followed up on your research on Boe's honor at Maryland. Sometimes articles stay on the video board and then are removed...but never completely. They then go to their place on specific sports. So I went to Woman's basketball, found the story on the Maryland game but, unless I missed it, not the one which honored Boe. Have to conclude that you are right. It;s almost as if Boe never existed at St. Peter's.
And yes, thinking about my cell phone conversation with Debbie I was told that EC called for a 3PM meeting in the Peacock Cafe and that Dave would be the interim AD. Too far away to make the meeting, as I presume were almost all other Coach's. So it was probably thinly attended with mainly Athletic Department Administrators attending.. The point is, the more I think about it,all this was most likely pre planned. So I agree with peacock pride's comments although we'll probably never know.
To add to pride's research, Dave Bryngil's name was up on the website almost immediately. Something which usually takes quite a while to post.
Going to stop posting on this, don't want to keep it going. Rather satisfied that I got what I was aware of out there for our posters. Apparently others have information and I'd be interested on their take.
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Post by jajk on Dec 21, 2016 23:40:23 GMT -5
Quiet, please. Chief Inspector Clouseau is at work on the case .
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Post by oldtimer1 on Dec 21, 2016 23:59:56 GMT -5
Better than Francis the Talking Mule or more accurately horses ass in your case.....jajk or junctionkid whichever name your prefer. Please remember to take your meds before turning in.
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Post by peacockpride on Dec 22, 2016 7:16:37 GMT -5
The more I think about SP and the process moving forward, the more frustrated I get. We have actually been pretty fortunate in our ADs since Stein left. Elliot did as good of a job as anyone and left for a better job, not something many people from SP have been able to say in the last 20 years. Quinlan had D1 AD experience, wasn't a great fit here, but still as qualified as anyone we would have found. Boe was much better than expected, at least in my opinion.
My question to those out there with some information is how does the search actually work. I know Manhattan and Iona both hired new ADs in the last several years and used search firms with experience people in the athletics field to help identify candidates and make suggestions, then school officials would handle the search with a handful of candidates. I hope I'm wrong but I can't imagine SP paying for a search firm to help identify a qualified candidate. Just the higher ups with little knowledge of how athletic departments work sorting through resumes. I'm sure the Athletics BOT will be involved and I think Bill Stein was brought in to help in the last search but from what I heard their opinion was pretty much ignored when it came down to making the final decision. Very frustrating.
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Post by spcfan on Dec 22, 2016 7:52:45 GMT -5
Im putting up the budgets again OT in a separate thread. The numbers speak volumes as always.
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Post by boesucks on Dec 22, 2016 9:02:31 GMT -5
I usually just sit back and read the post, but with oldtimer1’s love affair with Boe Pearman I decided to join in the conversation. Here is some Pearman history… At the University of Maryland, she left the women’s basketball program with the program under investigation for mistreatment of the players articles.baltimoresun.com/1997-04-04/sports/1997094126_1_weller-maryland-players-athletic-departmentAt Southern Connecticut State, she is rumored to have fired the sports information director that was at the institution for 36 years. She also fired the men’s basketball coach and hired Jerry DeGregorio as the interim head coach. The fired coach then sued Southern Connecticut State and won and Pearman was then gone from Southern Connecticut State and moved to Manhattan. It was widely rumored that Pearman had the same plan in mind at Saint Peter’s when she hired DeGregorio as her “special assistant,” but luckily (in my opinion) Coach Dunne had a better standing at Saint Peter’s and she could not get Dunne fired. DeGregorio stated many times that he did not want to be a special assistant, but a coach and he left the school some time ago. Pearman was not the best candidate for the job, but when Joe Quinlan resigned Carla Thorp (VP at Saint Peter’s) called her Manhattan buddy and asked if they could recommend anyone for the job and this person mentioned Pearman. Thorp, who did not get along Quinlan, loved the idea of bringing a woman in to be the AD and so that was the reportedly different in the higher. Of course, Thorp now is no longer at Saint Peter’s so Pearman must have won that battle after budding heads with Thorp. Rumor has it that at least 50 percent of the head coaches, one assistant coach and two people that worked on the third floor went to HR to claim about verbal or written mistreatment. Only one head coach and one person on the third floor still work at Saint Peter’s to this day. Massone and Musil were both fired after standing up to Pearman for a mistake that she made. Musil showed me his email that happened on a Wednesday and then was fired four-five days later. He also said that it was suggested to to him keep any communications with Pearman from a high-ranking official after hearing what happened at Southern Connecticut State to some people. It doesn't matter though because in New Jersey you can be fired for no cause and not have a lawsuit so Pearman's demise will not lead her to a lawsuit either. Other coaches reportedly reached out to former Saint Peter’s ADs for advise on how to handle Pearman. I have great respect for oldtimer1, but my guess is that he never was a threat to Pearman because he was removing himself from the situation on his own. He had his “succession plan” planned before she got to Saint Peter’s so she could let the great coach go out and look good in the process. As far as some of Pearman’s moves at Saint Peter’s… Here first hire at Saint Peter’s was Debbie Gregory, a woman that does not have more than a two-year degree and she made her the Senior Associate AD to be her second in command. A strange move in my book after Gregory was at Manhattan for 16 years. DeGregorio was her second hire and his slippery past at Southern Connecticut State and his relationship with Lamar Odom should been a huge sign. Also, remember some of her embarrassing mistakes... scheduling the men's basketball game against Manhattan and having it cancelled because of the roof on ESPN3. She wanted to play that game because it was Manhattan any other administrator would have not forced that issue because she was the driving force behind that one. Baseball had a home game against St. John's cancelled because she did not get officials for the game. Katie Arcuri was one of the hold-overs and oldtimer1 pick for interim AD, but she is a leopard that changes her spots. Pearman is publicly known to have a girlfriend and Arcuri looking to make a connection with her told her that she used to have a girlfriend while at college at Ramapo so she needs to be watched out for and one student told me that she felt that Katie was always trying to suck up to Boe. When Arcuri started at College of Staten Island, she had to deal with an NCAA violation and worked for four ADs… does that sound familiar? The complaint has been that they cut the athletic budget by seven percent, but then how did Pearman hire a Senior Associate AD for Sports Medicine, an Assistant AD for Strength and Conditioning and an Assistant AD for Facilities? Sounds like she got an infusion of money and chose to hire personnel instead of money that could have been used in other areas, right? I have also heard that she lied to the higher ups and BOT members to get things done, maybe her lies finally caught up with her. Lied to them that the lights in the gym were not up to NCAA standards and Saint Peter’s could be fined if they were not changed. She also reportedly told the BOT that the training staff has made lots of mistakes and that someone needs to be hired to watch over the department and that Saint Peter’s does not have a strength coach. Pearman did attend games, but the games that I was at you could see her sitting in the courtside seats on her phone the whole time and then she would leave as soon as the game was over not saying a word to the coaches or student-athletes. She would also go to the outdoor events and sit with her Ipad for a few innings again not talking to coaches or staff and then would leave without anyone really knowing that she was there. The most troubling thing that I heard would be that she would go to MAAC Championships and not say anything to coaches or student-athletes and just hang out with the Manhattan staff. She thought the best way to show the student-athletes she cared was through gear so she bought more gear/clothes than Quinlan did for the kids. Quinlan knew the budgets were tight, but made sure every athlete was considered with care by talking with them before a game, after a game, on the sidewalk and I heard from student that Pearman started to avoid the athletes whenever possible. A student also told me that she stopped working Fridays year round. I was around an AD once and he was asked how his golf game was and he said awful, but if I was good golfer then I would be a bad AD because I would be focusing on my golf game all the time. Not sure what her golf game was, but I’m sure she is a pro. Finally, I heard that she was fired because she yelled at the provost. Pearman appeared to be someone that was looking for quick fixes to pad her resume (small improvement to gym, personnel hire, etc.) to get in and out of Saint Peter’s as soon as possible so we are probably better off she has taken her broom out of the closet and left.
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Post by peacockpride on Dec 22, 2016 9:07:41 GMT -5
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Post by dalydoseofhoops on Dec 22, 2016 11:09:41 GMT -5
Also covering Manhattan as I do, I was tipped off to Boe potentially being bad news when I heard of her hire, but having never dealt with her directly until she came to SPU, I gave her the benefit of doubt.
Personally, I was not a big fan of how she treated Dave Musil, (another story for another day, and Dave did an exceptional job in my opinion of trying to make the best out of an admittedly difficult situation there) and compared to Joe Quinlan, I just didn't see the same level of commitment.
Whether or not the university can find a suitable replacement remains to be seen, but I hope for the best.
Happy Holidays to all.
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Post by loyal on Dec 22, 2016 11:50:35 GMT -5
Not the same level of commitment as Jie Quinlan?
My hair hurts.
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Post by loyal on Dec 22, 2016 11:51:04 GMT -5
Or Joe Quinlan, for that matter. 😊
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Post by peacockpride on Dec 22, 2016 13:01:23 GMT -5
Thanks for all the opinions. One thing that is clear is that no matter you're opinion, Boe was a very polarizing person on the SP campus.
Like loyal, I'm somewhat puzzled by Jaden's comment that he thought Quinlan was more committed to the job than Boe. I'm curious if you could expand on your thinking on that comment? I think most of us would say the opposite that Boe was too committed. She obviously pushed too hard and pissed off the wrong people. Quinlan faced the same opposition and ineptitude that Boe did, but he seemed to just accept no for an answer and go back to his office. Two complete opposite personalities.
I have heard of some of the issues and stories that "boesucks" touched on - some agreed with Boe, our new poster obviously did not. When Boe was hired I was admittedly not impressed or a fan, but things did get done. Maybe they did indeed get done the wrong way, but to see tangible improvements was nice for Peacocks fans. One correction for boesucks - the new positions you mention came before the budget cuts when the school thought there was a surplus. Maybe this money could have gone elsewhere, but lack of staffing and the positions that we created (other than the special assistant IMO) were necessary. From talking to a few people that know more than I do, Boe's approach was simple - its my way or no way. That was attractive to a lot of us fans who wanted our AD to have a voice and be a fighter for athletics across campus. Obviously the powers that be were looking for something else.
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Post by oldtimer1 on Dec 22, 2016 13:03:33 GMT -5
I spent over an hour responding to the boesucks post above...and then lost it. However I feel strongly enough to spend some additional time redoing my post. But I feel strongly enough to do so. Who would "hate" Boe, and now bad mouth both Debbie and Kati so badly? Obviously, not only a person with deep seeded grivances but one who is a hater with little respect for others.
Reading boesucks post, undoubtedly there is always some truth as there is about anyone's character but this lowlife could care less about posting what he did about some others who were not even the main characters in this whole episode.
First, Debbie Gregory. Debbi is the most competitent person that we have ever had in her role as Financial/ Business Officer for Athletics. And we have had some very good ones. Maria Massoni, before Debbi, was also very good but Debbi is the best of the best at what she does. Why bad mouth her?
Next, Kati Accuri, also tremendous at what she does wearing 10 different hats in addition to being our Compliance Person. Don't know where she gets the energy, strength or great deamenor to do what she does. Anyone who could knock her in any way is just way off the mark, No need to bring even her or Debbie into a discussion about Boe...victims by association. I'll end by quoting Jim Jacobsen, our long time head of the Dept. of Education, former cross country track coach countless years ago, unpaid voluteer for the MAAC Golf Championships every year and one who did an absolutely great job as interim AD last time around. Jim stated that he could not have done the job he did without the help and advice from Kati. Too bad she was bad mouthed also.
Now on to Boe. Said that I would say no more but I have to add something from this morning. Over at school to sign some paperwork. Almost no one was there with Yanatelli closing down around 1PM...except for basketball practice. Ran into someone, name not to be mentioned, who was privy in talking with some of the main players mentioned the past few days ( not EC or Boe ). I was told that while not a shock in the long run it was definitely something that caught everyone by surprise as to what happened. Firing or resignation, take your choice. Only the people in the room know what transpired.
Now as for Boe. Let everyone draw their own opinion. She certainly was a lightening rod. Although a Boe fan, I was personally disappointed in the way Dave Musil was treated. Again, I do not know the whole story. As for the coach's firings, well deserved, and I know a lot about that situation. Went all the way to the Provost and Human Resources. Once they learned the facts the dismissals were made at that level.Finally, I'll just add one additional story that I now feel comfortable revealing. Boe never told me or mentioned it. A close personal friend and associate did. Sometime after the firings Boe received a package in the mail. When opened it contained another package. It was feces.! What low life would stoop to do that...to anyone...is beyond me. Again, Boe never said a word to her credit.
I've only had good experiences with most of the people ( Athletes, Administrators etc. ) that I've met at SP but I also have never met as many as I've respected less. Take that for what it's worth.
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Post by oldtimer1 on Dec 22, 2016 13:27:05 GMT -5
peaockpride...sorry for responding late but I've been obviously busy. Think that you asked about the hiring process. What I remember from lat time was that the first step was to post the open position on the Human Resources webpage. A description is give and a deadline set for resumes. Once that occurs the Search Committe ( have no idea who's on that but would like to find out). Don't even know if Bill Stein was Committee. If not he should be! After review the field was culled down to three.
At some point each called over fes of interviews and Q&A's One committee was Athletics and I was present. While very interesting those of us present were never asked for our opinion or input. Sort of seemed strange to invite us but never asked our own individual opinions. Didn't make sense. More of a dog and pony show...but interesting none the less.
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